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  An Expert Explains the Beginning of Christianity with Dr Richard Carrier

  by Rocketman123 in

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  here is an interesting discussion about how christianity probably began.

  hierarchical political interest may have been involved.

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=civ8gscbo_g.

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  Phizzy

  It is now accepted by a consensus of Scholars that the verses in Chapter 14 of 1st Corinthians, saying that women should not speak in Church, are a later Interpolation.

  Why then would it be impossible that Chapter 15 was added later , and not penned by Paul, or rather dictated by Paul ? It is more than likely he did have something to say on the Resurrection, but we cannot be sure that what we have in the earliest MS we have, which are 4th Century, is exactly what Paul dictated.

  To be categorical that what is in 1st Corinthians 15 was written at Paul's behest is to make an assertion for which there is no proof.

  Which is the problem that Bible believers have, we only have Copies of many many previous copies, we know that Interpolations, Editing, Redacting etc occurred before those Copies were made.
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  I love this Woman, wish I Could Meet her

  by Slidin Fast in

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  this is someone doing the job for us.

  letters to the letter writers.

  gold|.

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  Phizzy

  An amusing thing to do, if you have the time, but it will have ZERO effect on JayDubs.

  To get through to JW's you need a lot of inside knowledge, and to be quite crafty, or they simply chuck away your Letter.

  I hope she has fun doing it though!
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  Were You Affected By Weird Elders?

  by minimus in

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  we all had some to deal with some.

  you would ask yourself, “how the hell did this guy ever get to be an elder”???.

  we had one elder originally from england that used to wear his pants belted up to his chest with typically a dirty spotted tie and shirt.

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  Phizzy

  Weird C.O's wives were the funniest, we had a few of those over the years, no doubt driven loopy by the life they had to lead, listening to their husband saying the same thing, telling the same C.O type jokes week after week, having nowhere to relax and always having to be polite to the " Sisters". I feel sorry for 'em !

  The weirdest Elder I remember was one who if you were a visiting Speaker at his K.H, he sat with the Talk Outline on his lap to make sure you stuck rigidly to it. Well, I never did, I used to swap around the order of stuff, and leave stuff out, add my own stuff etc etc.

  The strange thing is, unlike other Speakers I knew of, he said not a word to me after my " Talk". it may have been that he had known me since I was a boy, but I'm not sure, I never got invited back there though, so I guess he had words at an Elders' Meeting.

  He was very effeminate, I don't think his balls ever dropped, but he was that waspish, nasty type effeminate. Single of course, though in his late forties at the time. I think he was very angry at his physical condition. Pain in the arse weirdo that one.
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  YHWH a minor pagan god: Ugaritic Texts and the Sons of El

  by DoomVoyager in

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  interesting.. here is the first thing i've found on the subject, though i haven't read much of it yet.. http://faculty.gordon.edu/hu/bi/ted_hildebrandt/otesources/05-deuteronomy/text/articles/heiser-deut32-bs.htm.

  pseudo.

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  Phizzy

  "the unfortunate thing about this thread is that majority of JW don't care about such details."

  How strange that is ! When you think about it, these things are very powerful Evidence that their beliefs are WRONG !

  As I said elsewhere , they can't handle the TRUTH !

  
  
  It was Threads like this that helped me to expunge any JW beliefs, thoughts or feelings. Why oh why will they not examine their beliefs in the light of very strong evidence and the opinions of experts ?

  Because their Minds are Controlled and Locked Shut by the Org. They are in a sad mental Prison, where Light does not penetrate.
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  Was your faith in Armagedddon connected to current events?

  by Wasanelder Once in

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  remember when nixon resigned?

  the big a was here some said.

  remember 1986 and the "international year of peace and security?

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  Phizzy

  I guess I was a naughty boy, from the JW point of view, never following the idea that World Events meant the "End" was close. I worked out as an adult that there was no hurry for the "End" to come very soon after 1914, which at the time I still swallowed, never having scrutinised that total rubbish that ends up in 1914 by some incredible mental gymnastics and total misuse of Scripture.

  I remember in the early 90's a younger Bro saying to me " I reckon Armageddon will be here in the next three or four years", I said in reply " No, Satan has ways of dragging things out, you may be surprised how far away it is". Quite what my thinking was on " Satan's" actions I don't recall, but I without doubt didn't think things were moving swiftly toward Armageddon, whatever the World Events were !

  In fact, I hoped it would NOT come in my lifetime, because I felt that I was probably unworthy of surviving it, that I was a Sinner. Looking back, that was very silly, as that meant that very few JW's I knew would survive, many were far worse sinners than me !
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  Do you still talk to the dubs?

  by Iamallcool in

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  just wondering!

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  Phizzy

  I really don't go out of my way to talk to them, why would I ? I have nothing in common with them anymore. If they made any effort, if I came across one somewhere, I would be polite, but keep it as short as possible, if they prefer to pretend they haven't seen me,, that suits me even better.

  It will interest me to see what happens in the future. I faded, so was not DF'd. I did not DA, but something changed a few months back, a relative phoned me about "family business" and took the opportunity to let me know that something I had written on Social Media, heck knows what, that meant he did not want me to ever be seen going to his house. Strange, I never went to his house anyway, nor did he ever come to mine, even in the decade before I left !

  What I write in various places on Social Media is always the Truth, so it just shows that in the famous words of The Movie, we should shout this at them " You can't handle the Truth!".

  
  

  My most outspoken Posts are against the Paedophilia Scandal that the JW Org has never dealt with.

  But I'm not just sure if this sort of " shunning" the relative spoke of just applies to him, or is it the JW's in general who knew me too ? I shall find out when , one day, I run in to one, if they really scuttle off, I shall know. If they talk, I shall ask, I cannot think though that an actual Announcement has been made about me, they would surely have to inform me ? But I reckon to all my JW family I am now Persona Non Grata, as the relative in question is kind of the Capo. Interesting.
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  Will you be giving a 'Witness' when your name appears in the obituary?

  by was a new boy in

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  'he remained faithful to jehovah up to his death.'.

  i guess that means he never got in trouble with the elders.. .

  'he enjoyed spreading the good news about god's kingdom and helping others...'.

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  Phizzy

  I have left all arrangements for this Atheist's Funeral ( if indeed there is one), and disposal of my body etc, to my Executors (my kids). I doubt there will be an Obituary.

  They know I abhor Religion, am an Atheist, as indeed are they, and know also I abhor wasting money, I hope they arrange to do whatever they want with the least fuss, expense and ceremony, and I hope they have a bloody good Wake in the Irish tradition of drinking, singing and drinking, and talking and drinking. Oh... and drinking.
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  Did I miss any big news?

  by Iamallcool in

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  i used to read this site everyday for years!

  i am still learning to be ex ex jw.

  did i miss any big news, etc?

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  Phizzy

  " I can hardly believe anyone stays after they hear Rubber mouth Lett explain anything."

  It is astounding, now that the G.B have been seen " in the flesh" that anyone can believe they are appointed by God !

  When I was a believing and active J.W I always had reservations about the G.B as they became, and before that about those at the top and what they came out with in the Watchtower, and from the Platform etc . Myself and a few friends in the congregation regularly shredded the stuff we were given as " Spiritual Food" , but we just thought they were imperfect , silly men, but it was still god's org. Oh ! if only there had been an Internet back then !!

  I guess a good few still think that way, that it is mere "imperfection", which is why they stay, a good few more are PIMO and only stay out of fear of losing family and friends.
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  Clap for the Carers (or Don't it's Forbidden)

  by Slidin Fast in

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  so, in the uk, during the early stages of covid there was a groundswell of appreciation for the nhs for their front-line sacrifice.

  this was crystallised into a regular clapping/whistling/noise making session every thursday at 8pm.. "harmless" you would have thought, "a gesture of appreciation", "what could possibly be wrong with joining in on that innocent activity?".

  well, the co during his recent rounds had a different view.

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  Phizzy

  " It wasn’t in the outline.", more than likely not, but it could well be that something has been said "from above" that he has picked up on, his words would probably not be condemned as wrong by the G.B.

  This whole " Clap for Carers" is a farce to cover up the disgusting way this U.K Government is treating them, they ALL deserve a wage increase, they cannot buy food with claps.
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  Russia v. Jehovah's Witnesses

  by vienne in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  interesting.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgwuu0vj2tm.

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  Phizzy

  We know that JW's individually or as an Org in Russia are not a threat to the State. The problem the JW Org there has, is that according to the criteria set down in Russian Law as to what constitutes an " Extremist" organisation, the JW Org ticks all the boxes !

  Now we know that they are NOT going to kick off and start acts of terrorism , but the Russian Law makes them an org. to watch.

  As usual with badly defined Laws, it is the application of the Law, and interpretation thereof, that is often misused by those that hate a particular group of people. The Law in question needs redrafting....... perhaps.... or better still, the JW org could stop being so Extreme !