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  What Does Prayer Actually Do?

  by punkofnice in

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  if you think it works, what is your evidence outside of possible coincidence?.

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  Phizzy

  The Flying Spaghetti Monster, peas be upon him, Ramen, is the True God.

  Change my mind.
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  The JW's greatest dogma...

  by BoogerMan in

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  ....that god almighty/jesus personally selected j.f.

  rutherford & wtbts inc. as a front for worldwide christianity, is an affront to worldwide christians.. the adage, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was made for such spurious assertions.. as with jw's who claim, "jehovah answered my prayer for......," both claims rely on total credulity, and zero evidence of divine intervention.

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  Phizzy

  I would like to see J.W Apologists come here and try to defend it, perhaps we could reason with them ?

  Or would they merely say what an Elder said to me when I presented the stuff to him in my comment above, and other actual Facts, " Well I think there is enough to satisfy me they were chosen" , I gave up with him then, but Really ? What ?

  I know some say "What they have done in recent years shows the G.B have Jehovah's approval" , again, Really ? What ?

  And even if that were vaguely true, that DOES NOT prove the 1919 "Choosing" , so the J.W's are mistaken about that, the G.B in particular.
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  What Does Prayer Actually Do?

  by punkofnice in

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  if you think it works, what is your evidence outside of possible coincidence?.

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  Phizzy

  The most disgusting of Prayers are the ones for sufferers of Disasters and Mass Shootings etc. Apart form not actually doing anything, those doing the praying allow themselves to do NOTHING FURTHER !

  They are like the Pharisee standing in the Street for all to see his pious prayer to god, but not caring for his Parents. Hypocritical, and an insult to those who need real help.
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  The JW's greatest dogma...

  by BoogerMan in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  ....that god almighty/jesus personally selected j.f.

  rutherford & wtbts inc. as a front for worldwide christianity, is an affront to worldwide christians.. the adage, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence” was made for such spurious assertions.. as with jw's who claim, "jehovah answered my prayer for......," both claims rely on total credulity, and zero evidence of divine intervention.

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  Phizzy

  The selection/choosing of Rutherford &Co, by Jesus !! in 1918/9 makes no sense according to the facts about what they taught, and did not teach, at the time, none of it is accepted in any way by J W org today, so HOW could it be "food at the proper time" as served by a faithful and Discreet Slave ???

  The Christadelphians at that time, not being a significantly smaller group, if at all, were teaching much what the org teaches today, why NOT choose them ?? Rutherford and Co disgustingly supported the First World War, Rutherford urging the purchase of War Bonds, no way were they neutral Conscientious Objectors. The Christadelphians were !! had been since the Civil War !

  The Christadelphians do not claim to be exclusively chosen by Jesus in 1918/19, as they never fell for the 1914 nonsense, that totally discredited dogma is what the Org relies upon.

  All this means : No 1914 = No 18/19 "Choosing" = Today's Governing Body are self-appointed Charlatans.
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  Date of Adam's "Creation?

  by Slidin Fast in

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  how do jws resolve these conflicting facts.. 1. no matter how you spin it, bible chronology calculates to circa 4000 bc for adam's creation.

  i followed the trail many years ago and that's what it adds up to.. 2. the most cursory investigation of any branch of relevant science puts man's habitation on the earth as hugely earlier than that.

  it's now so well-proved that anyone disputing it is guilty of wilful ignorance.

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  Phizzy

  The problem for J.W Org is that as far as possible they have followed C.T Russell's lead in interpreting the Bible literally as far as they can get away with it, and of course when it suits them.

  A Literalist view of the Bible was espoused in the late 19th Century and into the early 20th Century, by a few Protestant Ministers mainly, to counter the plain Evidence that the Earth was much much older than the Bible intimates, mind you, the Genesis passages on Creation have NOT been interpreted by J.W's in a Literal way, in total, for years, as to do so would be plain stupid, they Cherry Pick which bits to interpret one way or the other.

  But the Crazy Bible Chronology is plain for all to see.
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  2034 - A Future History of Jehovah's Witnesses

  by slimboyfat in

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  i don't know what i am talking about... read this post at your peril.

  back in the 1960s there was, seemingly, a brief period of relaxation in authoritarianism among jehovah's witnesses.

  those who have read raymond franz's 'crisis of conscience' will have heard the story about dan sydlik's remark about the need to 'open some windows to let some air in here'.

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  The J W Org has not really progressed much from Russell and Rutherford's time. They are still basically a 19th Century Doomsday, End Times Cult.

  All they have to sell is FEAR, having sold that to you, that if you don't join you are toast, they keep you in by the FEAR of being Disfellowshipped.

  The problem for them is how you keep the FEAR going, crying "Wolf Wolf" as the old story shows, does not work, fatigue starts, then when the credibility of the engendered FEAR begins to wain for an individual, that person is free to lead a more normal life, if constrained by still being a J.W.

  That is the Governing Body's problem, how to counter that process, of how to keep the fear going, set another Date ? dodgy, don't set one, where is the fear ?

  Once freedom of mind is tasted, the Walls of Fear of exercising Mental Freedom begin to crumble, a few clicks of a mouse, and the whole House of Cards that is J.W teaching and claims comes tumbling down.

  2034 is only 12 years away, I really don't think they dare now use that, but 1914 MUST be losing credibility as every day passes.

  I think they are between a Rock and a Hard Place, and will decide on something that will last longer than 2034, but that will engender fear every year for the foreseeable future.

  I am fascinated to see what that strategy will be.
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  What could it be?

  by RolRod in

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  in a previous thread i mentioned how the society took down the pyramid monument at rosemont cemetary in pittsburgh.

  well now there's something being built on the same site.

  i'm thinking a high watchtower monument.

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  Phizzy

  I read somewhere that the land it stood on has been acquired by someone else ??? I guess if that is the case, they were told : " If you want that eyesore, come and get it."
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  JULY 15TH STUDY EDITION :"If ever that evil slave..." page 24

  by raymond frantz in

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  box on page 24 of the july 15th titled :"if ever the evil slave....".

  jesus has placed the weightiest of responsibilities on the faithful and discreet slave-namely,overseeing the domestics and giving out spiritual food atthe proper time.

  jesus knew that those with greater responsibility have greater accountability.

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  Phizzy

  The parable of the Discreet and Evil Slaves is just that a PARABLE , when will folks recognize that ? I have no choice but to put these next few words in Capitals :

  IT IS NOT A PROPHECY.

  Read it without JW Specs on and you will plainly see, it is a story used as a teaching aid, and ONLY that !
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  I'm not able to update my bio

  by Judgerussellford in

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  since i cannot update my bio at this time let me introduce myself.

  ex jw of 2 years.

  was pimi for 24 and df'd for almost 3 years.

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  Phizzy

  If you are interested Judgie, there are loads of old Threads of quality from years ago, the Search facility is at the top of the page, a bit clunky, but you can find stuff.

  A good contributor from years ago was Alan Feurbacher, he posted as Alan F on here, sadly he passed away a couple of months back.

  Another excellent Poster from years back, who approached things in an extremely knowledgeable and Academic way, was the Poster Leolaia , she no longer Posts, but I cherish the Education she gave me, and because of her I continue to read Academic stuff about the Bible. Enjoy !
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  A JW prophecy VISIBLY failing!

  by BoogerMan in

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  w85 7/1 p. 21 par.

  16 - an increasing “great crowd...out of all nations” are flocking to the org jehovah’s worship.

  the brooklyn pharisees assured the sheeple for decades that isaiah 2:2, micah 4:1-3, & haggai 2:7 were prophetically.

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  Phizzy

  2.8 million to 8 million in that time period that BB mentioned is not people flocking to the Borg. Though it is a decent growth, but not as good as similar Cults have achieved !

  Most years they now hardly cover the Death Rate by much. It is slow, small "growth", not what they predicted.