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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  Phizzy

  " and the current j .w's defend these out of date doctrines so aggressively!!🤷‍♂️"

  But, they cannot do so EFFECTIVELY to the Public, that is another change from the days when I was young, we all used to have the ability to go toe to toe with anyone over Doctrine, I had several long discussions with Pastors/Vicars and on one occasion a Bishop ! I "sold" him the magazines, we charged for 'em then, he asked " How much will you charge me for these?" and I replied, giving a figure, and said " I will let you have them at Trade price !" LOL I didn't convince any of them, and in fact they put seeds of doubt in my mind !

  Now it is all "Go to our Website", where again no success will come from, it screams "Cult", and does not give answers that any thinking person would accept, and would surely see through.
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  KGB infiltrated the Borg

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

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  we from the old year books that some kgb undercover agents became elders in high up positions.. i wonder if this is going on today?

  not just in russia but other congregations around the world?.

  when you think how long it takes to become an elder and all the talks and maybe judicial committees they were involved with.. anyway i’m just throwing it out there if someone wanted to pay me i am a current elder who is pima about intelligence or chance involved with the origin of the universe.. .

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  Phizzy

  I remember a JW Urban Myth, or it might even have been in a Yearbook ?? about how in one of those Countries the KGB were at work in, one supposed "Brother" was found dead, IIRC, struck by lightning Ha Ha, and the JW's found his KGB I.D on him !

  Anybody else recall hearing this obviously made up nonsense ?
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  JWs unrecognisable compared to my grandfathers time

  by ExBethelitenowPIMA in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my grandfather who has been dead for 37 years would not recognise the borganisation today.

  he would turn in his grave if he knew the end didn’t come by 2023.. back in the 1970s he really believed in the 75 thing.

  he was so disappointed and almost blamed everyone else why the end didn’t come.

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  Phizzy

  That reminds me of when I was on "Guard Duty" at the entrance to where all the cash was gathered together at a District Convention, as it was in those days, we could only let in Bros with a special mark on their badge.

  I was doing the duty with a real sycophantic type, when the Convention Overseer went to go in, I stopped him, my co-guard whispered to me "You can't do that , he is the District Overseer and the Convention Overseer !", "Doesn't matter" I replied, "his badge just has his name on it, he could be anybody".

  The D.O just smiled, and said " Well, are you going to let me in, Phizzy?", I replied, "Oh O.K then".

  What Bro Sycophant did not know was I knew the D.O well, he and his lovely wife had stayed with us in our home a number of times when he was a C.O, it was a joke !
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  Reddit post about elder asking congregation for money to fix his car!

  by LongHairGal in

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  2. friends

  yes, there’s a post on reddit.

  it says that after a zoom meeting a request was made to baptized publishers to give $20 apiece to fix this elder’s car.. while this sounds highly irregular to me and not necessarily approved by the religion, i am not at all surprised at the nerve.

  this, unfortunately, seems to be the direction that things are going there!

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  Just an update on the Elder I mentioned on my earlier Post, saying " Getting back to Elder with Audi, my friend said "He has never worked since he left School " I must find out if she means worked full time, as I guess he must do part time, he is married with two kids."

  I asked my friend, yup, he has not had even a part time job since leaving School a few decades ago ! apparently he is a ducker and diver, buys and sells stuff, but his wife works full time, my friend said he told her that when he mentioned some work needed doing on his car, a day later an envelope was shoved through his door with the necessary cash in it, apparently "Jehoober provided," because he is a Pioneer.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

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  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  Thanks Dio, I was aware of all this, as I had to counter the claims of a Daily Mail reader about how the Court could "dictate" to us, and so presented that very information to him, some time last year IIRC.

  To suggest we disassociate from the protection offered by the ECHR is just blinkered xenophobia.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
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  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  You are Studiously avoiding my points about the vital existence for us in the U.K of the ECHR, your questions are irrelevant to my concerns.
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
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  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  Oh boy, leave the ECHR ? why FFS, just because you are xenophobic ? It is there to defend the Human Rights of people, based upon the Human Rights Charter we helped to write ! It sprang from the Council of Europe, which we helped to pull together, it is FA to do with the E.U.

  If human rights have been breached in the U.K then I don't give a fig what nationality the Judge is who gives my Rights back !

  What restraint would there be upon a Government like the Raving Right one we have now, without the ECHR ? Braverman and her ghoulish mates would just love us to leave.
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  Reddit post about elder asking congregation for money to fix his car!

  by LongHairGal in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  yes, there’s a post on reddit.

  it says that after a zoom meeting a request was made to baptized publishers to give $20 apiece to fix this elder’s car.. while this sounds highly irregular to me and not necessarily approved by the religion, i am not at all surprised at the nerve.

  this, unfortunately, seems to be the direction that things are going there!

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  Phizzy

  A friend who I only told recently that I had been raised a JW said her brother in law was an Elder and a Pioneer ( small world!), and she knows he doesn't pay for repairs on his Audi, I guess either his Congo. does or rich Bro.

  In my Congo. before I left a well off bro. used to fill up the Tanks on Pioneer's cars when he was out with them on the knock-knocks. That seemed kind of wrong to me,that they would accept that, when I was a Reg. Pio. kindly ones used to give me a very small contribution toward petrol which I was embarrassed to accept, but they didn't drive so appreciated me being chauffer. No one ever really covered what it cost me, but a small thoughtful contribution was kind.

  Getting back to Elder with Audi, my friend said "He has never worked since he left School " I must find out if she means worked full time, as I guess he must do part time, he is married with two kids.
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  Anyone know what this sculpture is of the "torture stake?"

  by charity7 in

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  2. beliefs

  hey guys!

  i'm new on this site and am a non jw here married to a jw.

  my husband's family are active members and they daily post articles on facebook from jw.org which i know is meant for me to see and read.

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  Phizzy

  It was pointed out in a Book I read years ago that if someone was suspended on a Stauros as the W.T illustrate, Jesus would have likely died quickly, not survived the number of hours the Gospels suggest, because the lungs fill up with fluid very quickly with arms way above the head, wheres if on a cross, the Victim could survive for two days perhaps.

  Whether this claim is accurate, I do not know,
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  How do you feel about Brexit?

  by SydBarrett in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  the "independent scotland" thread got me thinking on this.

  there are a lot of brits on this board.

  what are your thoughts on brexit?

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  Phizzy

  Which "pluses" would they be exactly ?