Posts by Phizzy

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Lithuania Set to Mirror Norway's Approach on Jehovah's Witnesses

by raymond frantz in

it is proposed to the seimas not to grant state recognition to the religious community of jehovah's witnesses.

lithuania05/05/2024 09:30. jehovah's witnesses; baptism associative / e. ovcharenko / bns photo.. it is proposed to the seimas to refuse to grant state recognition to the lithuanian jehovah's witnesses religious community.. community representatives told bns that they hope that parliamentarians, taking into account the practice of the european court of human rights, will make a different decision.. the draft resolution registered by the chairman of the human rights committee of the seimas, tomas vytautas raskevičius, states that this community does not meet the requirements of the constitution and the law, that its education and rites do not conflict with laws and decency.. "the ministry of justice has determined that the religious teaching of this community is possibly not compatible with the constitution of our country in two aspects.

the first is that jehovah's witnesses oppose blood transfusions due to certain aspects related to health care (...).

Phizzy

" Shame on WTC Legal for their twisting of the facts."

As the WTC Legal Dept. " facts" are forensically examined by Court after Court, the more they are exposed as lies. They have hid behind " Freedom of Religion" and careful weasel words for many a long year. Ever since the Aus. Royal Commission Lawyer, a Mr. Stewart IIRC, showed how to cut through their crap, and expose the truth, other Courts will not fall for their former tactics.

Either they actually respect basic Human Rights, or Country after Country will remove recognition, but more importantly, will remove Tax breaks.

Once it costs the Org. Big Bucks, they change their policies and practices, but how disgusting that "God's Spirit directed Org." only does that when their $$$ are threatened !

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Lithuania Set to Mirror Norway's Approach on Jehovah's Witnesses

by raymond frantz in

it is proposed to the seimas not to grant state recognition to the religious community of jehovah's witnesses.

lithuania05/05/2024 09:30. jehovah's witnesses; baptism associative / e. ovcharenko / bns photo.. it is proposed to the seimas to refuse to grant state recognition to the lithuanian jehovah's witnesses religious community.. community representatives told bns that they hope that parliamentarians, taking into account the practice of the european court of human rights, will make a different decision.. the draft resolution registered by the chairman of the human rights committee of the seimas, tomas vytautas raskevičius, states that this community does not meet the requirements of the constitution and the law, that its education and rites do not conflict with laws and decency.. "the ministry of justice has determined that the religious teaching of this community is possibly not compatible with the constitution of our country in two aspects.

the first is that jehovah's witnesses oppose blood transfusions due to certain aspects related to health care (...).

Phizzy

Not a mirror for sure, but the issue is how the Org. actually puts its beliefs in to practice.

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Lithuania Set to Mirror Norway's Approach on Jehovah's Witnesses

by raymond frantz in

it is proposed to the seimas not to grant state recognition to the religious community of jehovah's witnesses.

lithuania05/05/2024 09:30. jehovah's witnesses; baptism associative / e. ovcharenko / bns photo.. it is proposed to the seimas to refuse to grant state recognition to the lithuanian jehovah's witnesses religious community.. community representatives told bns that they hope that parliamentarians, taking into account the practice of the european court of human rights, will make a different decision.. the draft resolution registered by the chairman of the human rights committee of the seimas, tomas vytautas raskevičius, states that this community does not meet the requirements of the constitution and the law, that its education and rites do not conflict with laws and decency.. "the ministry of justice has determined that the religious teaching of this community is possibly not compatible with the constitution of our country in two aspects.

the first is that jehovah's witnesses oppose blood transfusions due to certain aspects related to health care (...).

Phizzy

The appeal to the Right to Belief is NOT at at issue here, namely Freedom of Religion, which is always trumped by other Human Rights, the ones that guarantee many things such as the Right to Family Life and Freedom of Conscience.

What is at issue are the Practices, and Policies , based upon mere belief, that the J.W org. enacts, that run counter to those other Human Rights. Hence most civilised Countries ban by Law FGM for example.

What the J.W org. actually DOES, which deny basic Human Rights, is what is being challenged, and rightly so, and would be upheld by the ECHR, I hope, and am reasonably confident of.

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Sepherd french 2024

by Marcial in

jw
friends

dear atlantis.

would you be able to obtain the latest version of the book "sepherd....2024" in french?

with all my friendship .

Phizzy

Pease convey our heartfelt thanks for the sterling work these lovely guys are doing on our behalf, and again thanks to you for Posting it here.

All of this is of tremendous help to any J.W who finds this Site, and especially to those with doubts that they have not yet confirmed.

Kind regards,

Phizzy.

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Study in the Work of Late Redactors

by peacefulpete in

presently there are a number of hypotheses attempting to disentangle the sources and composition of the ot.

the 19th century approaches (wellhausen et al.

) opened the world's eyes to the reality that the torah and histories are the work of a number of contributors with particular agendas and vocabulary.

Phizzy

Thanks P.P , it is a minefield Textual Criticism, as you say, and we cannot but view the evidence, and draw conclusions we cannot prove satisfactorily in many cases, but this one is very convincing !

What we can say is that a very corrupted Text, done deliberately with Interpolations and Redactions etc, and the odd Scribal error, is ALL we have in the very late MSS we have, and this applies to the Christian Greek Scriptures with even more transparency.

What fascinates me is that we can trace the Evolution of Israelite/Jewish Theology easily, and the later evolution of Theology/Christology in the N.T.

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This is a no brainer

by oncebitten in

the insertion of jehovah into the nt is only understandable to me if there was an ot quote.

however by far the vast majority of the time this is not the case.

instead we see clear bias in the nwt.

Phizzy

The Insertion of the Name in the N.T has been debated on other Threads, and I know all the arguments for and against, but what is a "no brainer" is the the JW org. are Hypocritical in doing this, they say that in producing their NWT they follow the rule that if something is not in the earliest MSS, then they do not include it, or they highlight this fact.

The point is, there is not one single early MSS, or fragment thereof, or of course a later one from anywhere near the 1st Century, that writes the Name ANYWHERE in those MSS !

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1963 Resolution Condemning the United Nations

by Sea Breeze in

quote from that world wide resolution: .

that, in order to prevent the destruction of the nations by their own means in war, the nations further refused the surrender of their sovereignty to god’s messianic kingdom by setting up a society of nations, which, since 1945, has taken the form and the name of the united nations, with international headquarters at new york city.

this international organization stands for world sovereignty by political men.

Phizzy

But some of those "Resolutions" fulfilled Bible prophecy according to the Org. !

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

Phizzy

Thanks for the Link Vienne !

What we see in this is that the various Christological/Theological ideas that originated in the 1st Century C.E or earlier, were continued long after the 1st Century, not news to us of course, but it gives the lie to the impression the J.W Org. and other Sects like to give, that there was a unified set of beliefs held in the 1st Century by one set of Christians, whose beliefs and teachings the J.W's and others could "get back to".

Priestley has decided on a Unitarian view.

But why should just one view of, say, the Divinity of Christ, or when he became Divine or whatever, be the correct one ? "the truth", and who decides now ?

And by what Authority do they decide ? Priestley was deciding for himself, as the other Sects do. The most powerful Sects become the "orthodox", but, as the man with the wooden leg said, it's all a matter of a pinion.

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Moving on in a new chapter

by redsetter2 in

moving on is the hardest thing anyone has to cope with.. i have officially left the org.

and now it feels my family have been waiting to do this for a long time, officially shunning me, even though they were practically doing this whilst i was still in.. it feels like i've accomplished a victory and at the same time i feel guilty i was tangled up in communication with someone who "hid who they were" claiming to leak information from bethel.

i got the call from the man who i thought i worked with.

Phizzy

" No regrets about getting out of there! " .

me too but :

It means even more than "no regrets" to me, once I had left, and got rid of those "vestiges" I had the Freedom of Mind to drink in the pure Waters of Truth, truth that was backed by incontrovertible Facts and Evidence !

It was incredible, and looking back, what I got from the org. was like brackish, sewage infested water, the waters of truth ( REAL Truth) were like drinking from a cool Mountain Stream of the purest water on Earth !

Moving on to a new Chapter is all very well, but in the end, getting to, and drinking of, that Pure Water should be the goal, and may as many as possible achieve that !

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WT says 'Church Fathers were leading teachers'

by youdontknowhim in

was it jehovahs witnesses who acknowledge the church father as leading teachers?

this is a very interesting statement by justin.

do you accept origen as an authority when he said jesus is our god?

Phizzy

Thank you once again Earnest ! I shall have a look at all you have mentioned as soon as I can.

It fascinates me how these guys were so dedicated and motivated to try as best as they could to correct former errors in translation.

It was an exciting time, the C of E was deciding whether to be a "Broad Church" or not, of course the Establishment wanted all Divines and other ones being ordained to sign up to the 39 Articles , an attempt to stifle the thoughts of Priestley and Co. Others in the Cambridge Group wanted free thinking to be permitted, and progress to be made in Doctrine.

Much as we see the struggles that went on among the Church Fathers !