Spot on Kaleb !
Just because someone believes something it does NOT make it True !
Truth is only that which has Irrefutable Evidence , no religious claims have that quality of Evidence, and so cannot be True.
Posts by Phizzy
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120The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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First Time Ever..
by blondie ini received a phone call from a jw inviting me to the "special talk.
" in 25 years out, never happened, don't know them, phone # nowhere near me and it was like she was reading from a script.
i hung up... any one else?.
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Phizzy
" so D2D is still alive here ", possibly it was a special push at Memorial time, their attendance must be down for both the "Special" Talk and the Memorial. Compared to when I was "in" all those years ago.
I would love to know the total attendance for the now two Congregations that have come from the one I was in.
Back then, up until the early 2,000's the combined attendance IIRC was close to 220 for the one Congregation as it was, and just over that when it split in to two, by about 30 or so.
Would anyone like to hazard a guess as to what it will be on the 12th ?
I may just find out..... perhaps.
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1/2 of the Jehovah’s witnesses have gone
by hoser inthere are 1/2 of the jehovah’s witnesses that there were 30 years ago in my area.
some have left but i think that many have died and none of their kids stayed being jehovah’s witnesses.
7 congregations have been dissolved over the years.
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Phizzy
Vaccines are not harmful, they prevent disease, which PROLONGS the life, especially of the elderly.
They will hang on for decades, but with dwindling numbers.
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1/2 of the Jehovah’s witnesses have gone
by hoser inthere are 1/2 of the jehovah’s witnesses that there were 30 years ago in my area.
some have left but i think that many have died and none of their kids stayed being jehovah’s witnesses.
7 congregations have been dissolved over the years.
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Phizzy
" The borg must really love those sprawling JW dynasties.". I am sure the Borg. does love them, as they give a vague, but actually baseless, kind of credibility to the "religion".
Thinking about those dynasties that I know of personally, few of them now have younger ones, under 60 say, that fully believe, they may still attend meetings, even go out in F.S, but they are PIMO, I know that because several of these people have told me so !
The dynasties do not have many years before they are no longer made up of J.W's.
The Org. is withering away, the G.B do not care, it will "see them out", they will live their life of Luxury and ease, it will be the ones who come along in the next few years to fill the gaps as today's G.B dies off, who will oversee the final expiration of the Org.
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The Share of Religious Americans will continue to decline- New York Times. Why? New Pew Study
by Balaamsass2 inlocally, in northern california i have seen/heard a drop in jw and mainstream church attendance especially in person attendance.
(exception: a new creepy local new-age charismatic/pentecostal group: "bethel church" 11,000 and growing mega church(kundalini yoga/sex combined with prosperity gospel, trumpism, guns, rock music, dancing, glitter, speaking in tongues, and faith healing).. for me this paragraph sums it up regarding jehovah's witnesses: " ...smith described organized religion to me as having become a “polluted” idea in the american mainstream, because of the publicity around sex abuse scandals and financial malfeasance in many different faiths in the ’80s and ’90s as millennials came of age.
“the scandals violated most of the virtues believed to make religion good,” smith wrote.
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Phizzy
" I assume that it just doesn't matter much in their lives anymore."
That has been the case for many decades here in Europe, with the result that the offspring of those who were not indoctrinated, are unaffected by, and uninterested in organised religion.
Organised religion is withering and dying here in the U.K and most of Europe, and the same will happen in the USA.
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1/2 of the Jehovah’s witnesses have gone
by hoser inthere are 1/2 of the jehovah’s witnesses that there were 30 years ago in my area.
some have left but i think that many have died and none of their kids stayed being jehovah’s witnesses.
7 congregations have been dissolved over the years.
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Phizzy
" The fact that 1/2 are still there is what amazes me! "
I have felt that way for years, but particularly since the unbelievably ridiculous Overlapping Generation thing came in, how can anyone not see what nonsense that is ??
And yet thinking back, a lot of J.W's over 50 years ago, when the Org. came out with something that deified logic, reason and fact etc. would simply say " Oh that's all too deep for me"., and carry on regardless.
They trusted that the Org. must have it right.
There "faith" is in a few old men who twist and misuse Scripture, a blind faith if ever there was one.
With the bleeding of numbers it is plain the Org. has lost even that grip they once had, and of that "half" that remain, I would wager only a miniscule percentage are really of the old 100% believing kind that used to be a majority in the Org.
Over 90% of those that remain I guess are there for other reasons than belief, the Org. is now more of a Social Club than a religion.
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WT June 2025: We Are Not Blind We Just Don't Know
by raymond frantz inhttps://youtu.be/7xumqjq3zfc?si=ivcg96t4dtgze4ft.
so this is from the brand new watchtower study edition of june 2025 which has just been posted on jw.org .under the title: modestly accept what you do not know, a let’s read paragraphs in question 4 &5: “read matthew 24:36. we do not know when the end of this system of things will come.
even jesus, while on earth, did not know the ‘day and hour.’ he later told the apostles that jehovah, who is the great timekeeper, keeps the timing of certain events ‘in his own jurisdiction,’ or authority.
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Phizzy
The J.W. org., along with many other sects, ignores the long agreed meaning of "Genea" or Generation, in Jesus words in Matthew and Luke, Vines Expository Dictionary explains that it means what we mean by the word in most instances, a group of people who inhabit together a time that lasts 30 or 40 years, and then the next generation comes along, Vines also explains that it does NOT mean "a time period of indeterminate length".
By using Eisegesis, reading in to a Text what is NOT there, J.W. org. twist the obvious and plain meaning of Jesus words when he said " this generation", he meant those people standing and listening to him, who were of an age with himself.
His prediction failed, but to look for a later fulfillment of a prediction that has already failed in a major feature of it is plain silly.
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What the new JW light position really is 👍
by ElderBerry ini’m still an elder and i consider myself jw light.
as my fellow elders are.
we don’t throw our weight around like elders used to in the past, it’s all very easy going these days.
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Phizzy
With the J.W "religion" being as "light" as it has ever been I guess there are a good number of returnees, people who left a good while ago going back returning to restore normal family relationships.
I learned of two yesterday, the guy NEVER has been a believer in the J.W nonsense, brought up in it, never baptised, now in his mid thirties. His new wife I do not know, she may have been the reason he went back.
This kind of returnee will boost numbers a little, but will do little to strengthen the religion, more likely it will weaken it, as people like that young guy will be seen to get away with a lot, he did throughout his teens, nothing the Elders could do, he was unbaptised. They used to give him a good talking to now and again, but he nodded and agreed, and then carried on as usual !
The whole J.W "light" idea is to boost numbers and keep the $$$ flowing in.
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What are some of the JW Teachings That you do not Agree With
by Vanderhoven7 incasey sabella writes.
many of their teachings have no biblical basis whatsoever.
they claim those leaders are in fact the faithful and discreet slave jesus spoke about in matthew 24. further, they alone were selected by jesus himself in 1919 to identify as this slave and that all other churches are false.. only 144,000 can partake of communion and go to heaven.
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Phizzy
On another thread Slimboy wrote : " If you handed the Bible to somebody afresh without any history of dogma attached there is no way they would ever come up with...........................".
Insert in the gap all of their unique Teachings/Doctrines and that applies.
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The point of existence and how it refutes the Trinity
by slimboyfat inrowan williams, the former archbishop of canterbury gave an interesting answer to the somewhat stark question, what’s the point of us existing?
as a christian, my starting point is that we exist because the most fundamental form of activity, energy, call it what you like, that is there, is love.
that is, it’s a willingness that the other should be.
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Phizzy
" If you handed the Bible to somebody afresh without any history of dogma attached there is no way they would ever come up with............................" Insert any unique J.W Doctrine or Teaching and you will find the same thing.
So much for " Our teachings are based on the Bible" !