Posts by tornapart

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what takes away salvation

by jhine in

i am certain that the watchtower society is of the devil , they tell so many lies to cover up their false doctrines and satan is the father of all lies .

so logically somewhere in those false doctrines there is something that prevents the rank and file from receiving salvation as satan works so hard to keep them in "the truth " does anyone else agree with that statement ?

if so, what is it in their teaching that keeps them from the free gift of salvation that comes by the grace of god alone ?

tornapart

As an organisation I believe they have taken away what Christ really is. They pay him lip service when a real christian is supposed to worship him and pray to him. They have put men in his position and have sidelined him. He is no longer the mediator for ALL mankind. He is only the mediator for a few thousand in their eyes. We can only gain salvation by being a part of this organisation when the bible clearly says salvation is gained through Chrsit alone! The works they say that give us salvation is the preaching work and going to meetings when the bible says the works are those that makes a person truly christian ie. showing love for God and our fellow man. Without love we are nothing.

Christ is not getting the praise and honour he deserves from a so called 'christian' organisation!

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Has disproving the "Truth" become an obsession for you at times?

by Pyramid Scheme in

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friends

i was curious if anyone else has gone through a similar experience.. when i became inactive 4 years ago, i went through a period of not being able to focus on just about anything, other than doing tremendous amounts of research to prove to myself what my beliefs were, and to clearly identify my issues with the jw organization.

i was mad - and i was on a mission to build the ultimate case against the wt.

however, having read the fine advice on here, i backed off with my family, since it would have just gotten ugly.. i avoided posting on here for years, and had cut down my research and put it on the back burner.. however, i still felt a need to "witness" to my family and to have an open discussion with my wife.

tornapart

PS.. yes, I think I know what you mean. At first I wanted to debunk everything! I was so mad I'd been lied to, that history had been covered up and rewritten, that the NWT really was a false translation etc. I'm surprised my hubby didn't divorce me!

I've toned it down now and I'm in a better place but I still have to come here and still do some research simply to keep being able to see through the propaganda. As I still feel the need to go to some meetings for family's sake I don't want to get sucked in again. It could be easy to drop my guard if I didn't have this place to come to, to keep my head clear and my feet firmly planted!

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My Husband Said "Victims Of Pedophiles Come Forward Soon, Not Fifteen Or Thirty Years Later!" Right?

by AuntConnie in

my husband had gotten into a fight with a couple of victims of different pedophiles, he said in all his years of elderhood, "men and women who were sexually assualted came forward when they were old enough, they did not wait for decades to report they were abused.

you must have some kind of false memory or you are just trying to bring shame to the congregations.

" what is the truth of this?.

tornapart

You hate your s????? for ruining a good man!! Unbelievable!

If you're for real then you have a heart of stone.

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Weird "new world" artwork from the 2013 calendar

by cedars in

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friends

my mother-in-law has a strange obsession with calendars, and orders the society's calendar each year.

this year's calendar is especially weird.

it features images depicting future events - in particular, the society's vision of the new world order.. i've taken the opportunity to scan some of the images for you all to check out.. please note - there are captions for each of the images, but i don't have the english language version of the calendar so i'd rather just quote the scripture used so as not to reveal which country i'm in.. .

tornapart

Sept/oct... looks like the 'meeting' was all about the image in Nebuchadnezzar's dream....

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Is it wrong to stay in?

by confusedteenager in

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friends

i feel like, i don't believe in the majority of what the gb teaches, but all of my friends and family are invested in this organization and i feel it would be easier on me to just play the part and continue going through the motions then try to leave right now.

is this taking the coward way out?.

i just feel like i wouldn't have much to look forward if i stepped away..

tornapart

I'm still in. My family and lifelong friends are all JWs. It's hard because you have to play the game. Pretend. If you can live with it and don't want to lose anyone it can be done. I have a safety valve because my hubby knows exactly how I feel and doesn't push me, he leaves me to my own devices. If I can't stomach going for a while then I don't. FS is at an absolute minimum I can get away with and keep under the radar. So far it's worked for me and I've been mentally out for over a year now.

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Would Elders You Knew Have Ordered Stonings If They Could Have?

by Cold Steel in

for those of you who used to be jws, or who are active, if the society was in charge of the earth, how many people do you think you would have seen stoned during your lifetimes?

i realize some elders can be zealous about their work, but if they'd actually had administrative authority to have kh members stoned to death, how many elders did you know who would have been zealous enough to really order them?.

did you know any elders who would have ordered stonings, even if the condemned people had been willing to repent?.

tornapart

Whenever I see photos like that from our era the more I think that stoning never actually came from God but was a man-made law. Especially with Jesus' reaction to it. Maybe as justice for a cold blooded murderer it was, but not for anything else.

Aunt Connie... you need to get away from your cold-hearted husband.

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Field Service Requirements

by DATA-DOG in

has there ever been any official letters stating the amount of field service required to be considered exemplary?

usually the number given is 10hrs, but if you look up " 10 hours " in the cd-library you get 14 hits.

none from the bible of course, and only 3-5 are related to field service.

tornapart

Our congregation only had a 5 hour average last month... the calls to do more more more don't seem to be working here.. LOL

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The Other Side of the Indian Rape Story

by fulltimestudent in

i'm posting this story, not to defend an indefensible act, but to try to provide some balance.

the fact is that so many indians exist in a poverty so deep that it's difficult for westerners to even understand.

the youngest of the rapists in the now world known rape story, according to this uk, independent newspaper story, grew up in that world that seems hopeless.

tornapart

The father of the boy himself said that his son should hang for what he did. Poverty is no excuse for this.

I saw a documentary about some people living in a place like this next to the Ganges. They were hardworking and optimistic, dreamers even. One in particular struck me because he was always smiling. He worked 13 hour days, 27 and a half days in a fortnight making clay cups to sell. He had a mattress on the floor where he worked and he bathed in the river. The only time he looked sad was when he thought of his wife and child that he'd not seen for 6 months. Eventually he saved enough money to rent a single room in a shack so he could bring his wife and child to live with him. His eyes sparkled and he had a zest for life and he never stopped smiling. There were several others that had the same happy attitude. I couldn't envisage any of them doing what that gang did!

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Anyone here who is still a Jehovahs Witness and havent given up yet, Please answer me!

by Vienna Angelika in

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friends

i am wanting to connect to current jws who are going through a tough time and are going through a similar time as me.

not any jw haters, just balanced concerned jws who havent quite given up yet..

tornapart

I'm still in because of family and close friends.

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Talesin - R U Still Here?

by truthlover in

havent seen you post recently - enjoy them are you not well?.

anybody know.

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tornapart

Welcome back Tal!