the one thing that got to me was that this religion is illogical.
their "logic" is ridiculous, especially when it comes to their blood doctrine.
downright weird!.
Luke 21:8 'Many will come on the basis of my name saying 'I am he' and 'the due time has approached' (other versions 'the time is at hand').. do not go after them!'
One book was called 'The Time is at Hand'... another 'God's Kingdom of a Thousand Years has Approached'... and of course the endless warnings about how close the end is...
the insidious bind the watchtower religion places on their members is unconscionable.. holding family and friends "hostage" as an extortion strategy may be their most potent weapon of enforced conformity.. .
in effect, like an armed criminal who points a gun at you and threatens "your money or your life", the watchtower leadership.
holds the power to separate dissenting members from those whom they most cherish.
If I could get out without losing all my family and friends I love I'd do it tomorrow.
If I went I'd get all the 'how can you leave Jehovah? Where else is there?' I'd be viewed as an apostate... not because I no longer love God or Jesus or the Bible... but because I can no longer believe in a man made organisation full of false prophecy and hypocricy. To them I'd be a different person.
The alternative is keep my family and friends by keeping up a pretense. Sit at meetings and slowly die inside because I'm being untrue to myself.
What a choice!!
the article talks about the obstacles in getting the "millenial dawn" series of books into the hands of "seekers of truth," and how "coleporters" spread the word.. so, why is this important book which evidently carried a message of truth not available on the wt cd rom?
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the whitewashing and misdirects in this series are propaganda genius.
I'm wondering if these articles were put in by an undercover 'apostate' on the writing team... stuff that is dredged up for the R&F to think about is going to make quite a few to question things and want to find out...
one thing that i have always noticed even when i was a jw is that the jw org has lots and lots and lots of rules for allsorts of stupid petty rules which make no difference.
when you read the bible you see how they are clearly in the wrong here and are acting like the pharisees themselves, who imposed so much pressure on others to conform to the law.
am i missing something here!?!?
Djeggnog.. what I don't understand is if you are an active JW and trying to explain to us what the WTS means in this article about associating with apostates.. that even children shouldn't be associated with if they've left home.. what on earth are you doing here?
You are either 1) Not a true JW at heart or 2)Being disobedient to the FDS that you hold so dear
You are associating with 100's of apostates!!
we believe that 99.9% of earths population will be soon put to death because of their unrighteousness and hatred of god.
this probably means that you wont make it.
sorry bout that.. god is using us to warn the entire world of mankind.
I always wondered how kangaroos got to Australia.. now I know... thanks SIAM! :)
the more i'm waking up to ttatt the more i'm realising how much it is living in the ot rather than the nt.
jesus is side-lined by the gb, they say we are in his 'presence' yet they are the ones telling us what to do (rather than the head of the congregation, christ).
they behave like pharisees yet can't see it (the blind leading the blind).
The more I'm waking up to TTATT the more I'm realising how much it is living in the OT rather than the NT. Jesus is side-lined by the GB, they say we are in his 'presence' yet they are the ones telling us what to do (rather than the head of the congregation, Christ). They behave like Pharisees yet can't see it (the blind leading the blind). All the time they are going on about the Israelites, prophecies in the OT, 'faithful men of old', the old Laws.. yet Jesus hardly gets a mention.. It's as if they want us to go back to the 'old' ways just like the Jewish Christians in Paul's day wanted. Where is the love and compassion and mercy Jesus taught?
i hate doing this type of thread.
none of us are perfect, least of all myself, and i would rather focus any criticism on the watch tower society for damaging people's lives.
however, in the short period since i've been a member of this forum i've noticed one member in particular deteriorate in his behaviour into the type of individual who threatens to undermine the credibility of the entire website.
I personally think far more good is done when things are laid out factually and logically than sensationalising everything. It drives JWs away if they even get a 'sniff' of 'apostasy'. I remember as a child seeing 'apostates' with their banners outside assemblies.. I was scared of them!
The thing that lured me away was wikipedia.. (I don't know who posts all the info on there but it's genius... they tell you all the FACTS about JWs, that all JWs know and would agree with then subtely put the info under 'critics'.. and then talk very factually about Ray Franz). Within a week of reading the info on wikipedia I was reading CoC! After I'd read his books your survey was my next port of call Cedars, closely followed by JWstruggle.
I think the work you do and others like you is far more effective for helping out active JWs.
now is a good time to start making preparations for the memorial night demonstration at your kingdom hall thursday, april 5, 2012, after sundown.. close to 20 million people will attend this annual global witness event including active witnesses, relatives and friends of witnesses, bible studies,return visits and still attached former witnesses.
the evils of the watchtower org.have to be exposed and this is an ideal time to do it.. many around the world have been adversely affected by their association with jehovah's witnesses and you can be an instrumental force by standing tall and courageously exposing the watchtower organization.. there is no better way to let the watchtower know your revulsion than to broadcast and present your view by standing fearlessly, demonstrating in front of a kingdom hall.. i am fully aware that a handful of the internet therapists who post on this forum will not agree with this method of unmasking the watchtower.. those intolerant, contemptuous critics who will comment on this thread making harsh judgements and finding fault with those who protest are perhaps deep-down wishing they had the backbone to stop hiding in cyber-space, step away from their computer and "get out of the bleachers and into the game" .
lets make this a global event!......
'Mentally diseased' comes to mind..... at least that's what every targeted JW is going to think....
jesus said, "truly i say to you, to the extent that you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me".. .
exactly to whom was jesus addressing these words, and who were his "brothers?the subject matter of matthew chapter 25 deals with christ's judgement of all humans, and verses 32 & 33 make it crystal clear that there only two groups standing before him - 'sheep' and 'goats'.
keep in mind that during his ministry, jesus referred to himself as "the fine shepherd" who would give his life on behalf of his sheep.
Good points Searcher
i still go to meetings (sometimes) mostly to acompany my wife and kids.
i have known of jw friends of mine that have gone to elder's for family problems, dispute's with other cult member's or those hemroid's that just won't clear up.
whatever.... i personally never ever told an elder or elder's a stitch of info about my personal life or trouble's etc.
I'm an elder's wife.. he never, ever tells me anything. I'm glad because I wouldn't want that burden. I don't want to know. If anyone ever tells me something in confidence it stays with me. I've never heard other elder's wives saying anything they shouldn't or gossiping in our congregation. I know of one elder that lets things slip sometimes but I've never heard his wife say anything. I think you get to know who you can trust and who you can't.
