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  I genuinely love them

  by MsGrowingGirl20 in

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  i love these people so much!

  we had kh cleaning last weekend for the memorial and it felt just like old time and brought back soo many memories...i share my struggles, my joys ...everything with my bros and sis... they are my friends...i really truly do love them...how can i leave?

  that feeling just made me feel like abandoning all this reasarch and go on living blindly .

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  All the time MsGG! It's very hard because despite knowing how it all works, despite knowing all the falsehoods, all the propaganda, being able to see through it all... there are still some lovely people there. I have friends I love dearly that I've known from my childhood, over 40 years, we grew up together, know each other inside out. (But I can't share this with them!) It would break their hearts because to them, serving the organisation is serving God and leaving the organisation is leaving God! It is black and white. It is a very delicate balancing act but I think once you have discovered everything there is no going back, it's like a Pandora's box, you can't unbelieve what you now know to be true. What we have to do is decide what is best for us and how to move forward in a way that is right for us. Each one has to make their own choice.
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  Lions eating straw....is this possible?

  by highdose in

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  i recall a jw telling me that.... "they" meaning scientists, had done study's on lions in zoo's and discovered that if they gave lions straw and grass to eat that the lions became very passive and no longer showed predator behavior??

  now they never explained who "they" were, or were these "study's" had been done or why based on these study's lions are not now fed grass etc

  has anyone else heard this for real?

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  LOL! Cantleave! Nice one! :)
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  Lions eating straw....is this possible?

  by highdose in

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  i recall a jw telling me that.... "they" meaning scientists, had done study's on lions in zoo's and discovered that if they gave lions straw and grass to eat that the lions became very passive and no longer showed predator behavior??

  now they never explained who "they" were, or were these "study's" had been done or why based on these study's lions are not now fed grass etc

  has anyone else heard this for real?

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  I've heard that about the Lions in a zoo too, I think it had something to do with lack of meat available in WWII. Anyway this argument about a carnivores digestive system is true. Giant Pandas who are considered vegetarian (they almost exclusively eat bamboo) actually have a canivorous digestive system, which means to get the nutrition they need they have to eat all day long with only short naps and they are very sluggish in behaviour. They will eat a carcass if they come across one.

  As for the biblical passage I think it refers more symbolically, that the natural order will be kept between wildlife and domestic life. The main reason that there are problems between wild animals and man and his domestic animals is that the two territories encroach on each other. A recent experiment in India of a reintroduction of tigers in a national park showed this. A tiger was poisoned by villagers for being a threat to their livestock. The Indian government paid the villagers to move out of the park so that the reintroduction of tigers would be more successful.
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  Is DNA proof of intelligent designed?

  by jam in

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  here in los angeles an intelligent design trial will be.

  open to the media.. david coppedge, a former jet propulsion laboratory.

  employee, alleges he was laid off due to his advocacy.

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  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWvS1UfXl8k&feature=relmfu this is a great series of videos on that very subject
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  Is DNA proof of intelligent designed?

  by jam in

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  here in los angeles an intelligent design trial will be.

  open to the media.. david coppedge, a former jet propulsion laboratory.

  employee, alleges he was laid off due to his advocacy.

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  When I see a computer programme it tells me it had intelligent design. To me the DNA is no different. I cannot believe there is no designer. But that is simply my opinion and the way I see it. No offense to anyone who sees it differently.
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  I saw this on Wiki about the 'dubs and i was surprised by it's accuracy

  by wha happened? in

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  i know people were poo pooing wiki earlier and i agree with some of thr comments, but this article is interesting.

  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/eschatology_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses.

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  It was reading this on wikipedia that started me on my journey of discovery...I think it's valuable that it's there. If it hadn't been I would still be a fast asleep JW!
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  This good news of the kingdom will be preached ...

  by biometrics in

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  so some of my jw friends can't answer a lot of the questions i put to them.

  invariably they end up with the comback line of "this good news of the kingdom will be preached in all the inhabited earth for a witness to all the nations; and then the end will come.

  " and state that jws are the only ones doing the preaching.. i suspect most jws who've left have come across this.

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  Everywhere JWs have been christians have been there before them. For centuries there have been christian missionaries going to all corners of the earth.. including remotest parts of Africa, China, all across the US, pacific islands. Christianity is everywhere! JWs have their own brand of what they consider to be the Kingdom,so they think they are the only ones who have done this 'preaching work'.
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  New to the board

  by jbeau504 in

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  i'm new to this board and looking to see what it's all about.

  i'm currently an unbaptized publisher and third-generation jw, so for obvious reasons i can't give my real name due to personal concerns.

  so from now on people can refer to me as "jimmy".

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  Hi Jimmy, welcome. I think you'll find all sorts here! I don't think any two are the same in their ideas or beliefs. However what we all have in common are the feelings that things in the organisation are not right. The best thing to do is to read. We should all have two sides to look at and not just one. Without two sides we cannot come to an accurate decision, especially if the rest of our life is goig to be based on that decision.
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  Secret signal to find each other at District Convention

  by RayPublisher in

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  last year this was brought up and it was a great idea but maybe a bit too late.

  do you remember the "secret signal" that was going to be used?

  it should not be mentioned in the main thread, only through email and pms.

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  tornapart

  ROFL!! Nice one 00DAD!!
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  Secret signal to find each other at District Convention

  by RayPublisher in

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  last year this was brought up and it was a great idea but maybe a bit too late.

  do you remember the "secret signal" that was going to be used?

  it should not be mentioned in the main thread, only through email and pms.

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  tornapart

  Sent you a pm RP