Could you get your hubby to read Crisis of Conscience by Raymond Franz? Ask him to read it and if he does, promise him you'll accept his decision to continue with the JWs if that's what he wants. Most JWs that read this book are shaken to the core.
tornapart
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered (607 B.C.E.) -Part A1 - Jeremiah 25:10-12 Reviewed
by FaceTheFacts induring the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
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tornapart
How many more incarnations will he have? This is getting just ridiculous!!
He has his head in the sand just as the GB do. (Maybe he's one of them? ) Because they cannot accept that Jerusalem was destroyed in 587BCE they have to have something to hang on to. Ie. the 70 years servitude and they have to try and make it fit with their own interpretation of historical events.
They are too pig headed to accept the thousands of irrefutable evidence staring them in the face that they have to push it all to one side. However. what is the starting point? It's based on the same historical evidence that they refuse to accept! The bible has no dates except those based on the reigns of the various kings so dates have to be relied upon as produced by archeological evidence. I'm not hot on all the ins and outs of all the arguements but even this makes sense to me!
For someone who claims he's intelligent then why can't he see the simple truth?
Recovery/StillRecovery/OlinMoyle41/Ethos/FaceTheFacts/Macho..... (and any other incarnations) you're the one who has embarrassed himself.
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Blondie's Comments You Will Not Hear at the 12-23-2012 WT Study (YES MEAN YES)
by blondie injust let your word yes.
his word.
isaiah proved true to his word.
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tornapart
Blondie.. your comments are priceless and much appreciated!
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2012 report analysis - countries with reduced publisher figures
by cedars ini've just started munching through the figures for 2012 in the new 2013 yearbook, now available on jw.org.. i thought you might be interested to see which countries saw "negative growth" over 2012.. these are as follows.... .
*sudan is so dramatically reduced because south sudan is now independent and the society has adjusted the publisher figures accordingly.. .
countries added.
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tornapart
It might be interesting about Poland because a large number of Polish have come to the UK over the last year. However the Polish reduction should become the UK growth...
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Small Victories!
by emperorslaundrist inmy husband's cult personality has relaxed since he's been seeing me go out in service and underline my watchtower, so yesterday it felt right to nudge him just a little more.
"you know, i normally love the watchtower articles but the one i'm studying for tomorrow is just crazy.
i'm beginning to think that there's a narcissist somewhere in the writing department.
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tornapart
That's great EL! Looks like it's starting to work for you. This is just the way I try with my hubby, find his weak spot over something, plant a few seeds and let him mull it over. It's a long haul and sometimes I feel like I'm getting somewhere, sometimes I feel like pulling my hair out but I'm sure that patience will win out eventually!
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Something's missing
by Anony Mous ini haven't been on here much in the last couple of months.
but i have shared custody so my ex keeps me informed of 'witness holidays' where she would have custody and i would get make up time.
what's missing is the 3 day conventions.
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tornapart
I saw on our notice board last night at the KH of all the convention dates for all over the UK in the summer. So it's still the same..
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered (607 B.C.E.) -Part A1 - Jeremiah 25:10-12 Reviewed
by FaceTheFacts induring the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
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tornapart
2+2+5 Well said!!
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered (607 B.C.E.) -Part A1 - Jeremiah 25:10-12 Reviewed
by FaceTheFacts induring the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
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tornapart
Recovery, StillRecovery, OlinMoyle41, Ethos, FaceTheFacts.... who next? It makes a total mockery of your debates because you can't even be honest about who/what you are...
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered (607 B.C.E.) -Part A1 - Jeremiah 25:10-12 Reviewed
by FaceTheFacts induring the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
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tornapart
If you're not these 'past members' then why don't you go to the threads that they/he started on exactly this subject (which has been done to death) and read those. You have not put forward any arguments that they haven't tried and have proved nothing. If you're happy with it then why don't you just go away and live with it. Why do you have to keep going over and over and over it? It's becoming boring....
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The Gentile Times Reconsidered (607 B.C.E.) -Part A1 - Jeremiah 25:10-12 Reviewed
by FaceTheFacts induring the last three to four months, i have spent a great deal of time sinking my teeth into various critical biblical commentaries and lexicons.
naturally, after beginning to research "the truth about the truth" one of the most commonplace yet controversial arguments revolve around the "gentile times" doctrine (i.e.
the application of the seven times of daniel 4 from 607 b.c.e.
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tornapart
I think if anyone has read Gentile Times Reconsidered and still believes in 607BCE as the date for the destruction of Jerusalem then they are a lost cause. If FtF wants to carry on believing it then it's his choice but why continue to try to prove the opposite to him when he refuses to see it despite all the logical arguments. It's just like the tiger that chased his tail till he turned into butter!!
