Posts by tornapart

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Evolution is a Fact #29 - Use it or Lose it

by cofty in

this is a small part of the southern side of an 18th century garden wall.

my house is just outside the north-east corner.. it is impossible to look at this picture and not notice that this section didn't start life as a garden wall.

we can clearly see the remains of a derelict house that has been incorporated into the garden.

tornapart

I don't usually post on these type of threads for fear of being vilified. even though I find them very interesting and well worth reading and appreciate very much the effort gone into writing them.

However I have to say this, when I see a 6 on a brick i know that some time in the past someone with intelligence has put it there. I see the same thing with DNA. To me it is like a computer software programme. Instead of 0s and 1s, it's ACGT. Simplistic I know but also complex when it's all put together. I'm not refuting evolution, I can see the arguements for it but I can also see intelligence behind it as I can in the number 6 on the brick and the binary code in computer software.

That's just my own personal take on it.

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So Proud of Pops

by brandnew in

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friends

ok so a car pulls up to the house and 3 eldurrs from my dads congo come up.

they come in and have thee nerve to ask me to step out so they can speak to pops!!!!

this is the good part.....pops says...and i quote " whatever needs to be said..can be said in front of my son".

tornapart

It seems your dear pop has done more than his fair share of giving Brandnew..... now it's someone else's turn! So glad your pops is sticking to his guns and giving them nothing, ...the weasles!!

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What song explains what you have gone through in life?

by brandnew in

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friends

this is mine....watch "coolio ft. l.v - gangsta's paradise (official music video)" on youtubehttps://youtu.be/cpgbzylnz7c

tornapart

Holding Back the Years- Simply Red

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our secret dating got caught...

by trueloveneverfails94 in

we both are 21 years old.

i am almost done with my study and working on to become one of an unbaptized publisher.

tornapart

You and your girlfriend are old enough to be married without anyone's permission. She does not need her parents permission. Why on earth would she need her parents permission to either see you or hold hands with you?

We had a couple in our congregation. They were in their 30's. She was a pioneer and he was studying (like you). They started dating. There was even a 'marking' talk from the platform about it. They were both sat in the audience while it was given. It made no difference, they carried on seeing each other. They didn't care what anyone else thought. They got married, he got baptised. They are still part of the congregation and nobody says anything anymore, they are just another couple.

Don't let anyone else push you around or make you feel bad. It's your life and her life, no one elses. Live it how you want. As adults you don't need anyone telling you how you should live it.

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The people are mobilizing Mr Drumpf

by Simon in

protesters shut down a trump rally.

massive numbers of people are out in chicago and have shut his event down.

there were scuffles inside the event.. despite his lame attempt to pretend the violence he instigates is nothing to do with him it's clear that it is as the cnn quotes during the last event showed only too well.. this doesn't happen at anyone else's events - candidates have even given up the stage to protesters, not called for them to be beaten and punched.. trump is an ugly person and this is just a small taste of what a future under his rule would be like.. shame on the gop for not kicking his ass out.

tornapart

if this is how he stirs things up in his own rallies, I dread to think what could happen IF he becomes president.... rattling things up with another lunatic Kim Jong-un could spell disaster...

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Did any of us ever enjoy meetings?

by stephanie61092 in

this is a legitimate question.

did any of us ever find real joy in being at the meetings?

did any of us ever finish a meeting and think "i feel so enriched"?

tornapart

Could never understand anyone who said they were uplifting, encouraging, enjoyable etc. Deep down I always guessed they were lying, even if only to themselves. I always disliked the meetings and if ever I had a headache or any other excuse to get out of it I would. My mind would be elsewhere or I would read my bible (which I did like). I nearly always fell asleep during the WT. These days if I go I find I'm more alert and interested in what's being said just to laugh inwardly at the total BS being spouted.

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Animals were created without needing Toilet Paper ... but not Man ... Why???

by RubaDub in

my dog and other pets do their "business" and run away and are happy.. man does not have that luxury.

any thoughts on why animals were created with the "poop and go" capacity while man has to go through more steps?

was this perhaps an additional issue that god added on when adam and eve sinned (such as eve having significant more birth pains)?

tornapart

Dogs do sort of wipe their bums, just not with toilet paper... they sit on their rear ends with their back paws up round their ears and then pull themselves along your clean carpet with their front paws.... leaving a nice trail of poop behind them... and a big grin on their face....

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Got in a bad wreck.....uuugh

by brandnew in

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friends

just happy to be alive....can barely move ☺.. a girl who just got her license , and a new suv....thought it might be cool to pass the person in front of her....at a curve......on a two way road!!!!!😠😠😠.

very mad puppy.

tornapart

Sorry to hear about your crash brandnew and I know having bikers in the family what the bike means to you ('my baby's dead', was my son's reaction after a crash)... but I'm glad you're all in one piece still even if you're hurting right now. Hope you recover soon... and your bike too!!

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What's the point?

by punkofnice in

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friends

i mean, i don't want to be miserable or anything, but what's the bloody point of it all?.

since i left the watchtower cult, i have come to realise that god cannot possibly exist...and if a god exists...god is indifferent to humankind as the least.. in 100 years time i'll be gone.

kaput.

tornapart

Questioning the WT makes you question everything. Sometimes those questions have disturbing answers. I don't know what to think or believe anymore... it's like having to start all over again and when you're close to your 60's that's not easy. All I can say is it's important to enjoy the life and health you have here and now, make the most of it. We spent so much time waiting for a 'new world' that we put our lives on hold. But really life can be enjoyed right now. How about giving yourself a 'bucket list'? I think of the young guy (Stephen Sutton) who died after a few years of fighting cancer. He made a bucket list and lived life to the full right up until the day he died. We were sold eternity, now maybe all we have is now... we have to make the most of it. Life however short is a precious gift.

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I am leaving the JW's . I am alone and scared. Advice and help needed please

by scared and lonely in

i am sorry that on my first post i am asking for help and advice but i am at my wits end.

i have been brought up a witness all my life and it is all i know.

i am an ex-elder and pioneer and i don't know anybody outside of the congregation.. i have been unhappy for so long and wanted to leave.

tornapart

There's been some great advice given on here by quite a few posters, however I feel very disturbed by the nastiness of some. I've seen it before, someone comes on here for help, advice, support and gets called a troll because they may have put things badly, usually because of stress, emotional upset or whatever. Being nasty is never going to help doubters who are dipping their toes into apostate-land. these ones need our help and support. When someone is waking up and especially if their whole life has been immersed into it, their whole family is in it, they have no friends outside of it... its a very scary place to be,

As it happens I have a son living at home in his late 20's, he's an MS and the kindest most caring guy you could wish to meet but I'm worried about him 'spreading his wings' because he is 'naive'. Maybe he is a 'Man-child', if such a thing exists and not because of the way he's been brought up by us because his older brothers are totally different, it's just the way he is. Academically he is very bright but socially he's not. I imagine him coming here one day and getting that same reaction.

I just hope S&L that you stay, read, join in if you feel you want. Learn who to trust and who you can't. There are many on here who will give you the help and support you need.