from relatives and contacts in 2 states, there have been no bibles available for a couple months.
one person mentioned to me as well about supposed quotes in the magazines from other bibles.
rumors are that they will announce a new bible, or possibly tell everyone to buy a bible from another place that they approve of.
The Breakfast of Champions prediction:
The "new" bible will not be called the "New World" translation.
you know I recall that when they recently replaced the song book one of the comments was that they removed phrases that we don't use anymore, one of the was "new order"
"new world" has a real masonic presence. If they removed these from the song book, would they not also want to disconnect their bible from such outdated phraseology?
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/religious-boy-fights-court-for-right-to-die-20130917-2tx5u.html.
this is tragic.
the boy is 17, and earlier this year the courts ruled that he was to be forced a transfusion.
SLIMBOYFAT makes a valid arguement. At 17 what right does the state have to "force" you to do anything that should be a personal choice?
The problem is, that choice is based on false understanding after years of mental conditioning.
Ultimately the child has the right to decide his/her fate, however, the state should make sure the that child has a supportive environment without the influence of parents or elders, etc. to make that choice without coercion.
After that, there is nothing we can do other than educate people about cults and persuavive coercion so they can make informed decisions.
I for one, want to make my own medical decisions, If I don't want a medication that has side effects I don't desire then I have the right to refuse, if I want to allow myself to die rather than be on life support then I have the right to choose. I can't imagine being forced to take medicine or treatment that I as an adult, do not want.
http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/religious-boy-fights-court-for-right-to-die-20130917-2tx5u.html.
this is tragic.
the boy is 17, and earlier this year the courts ruled that he was to be forced a transfusion.
my father was on the Hospital Liaison Committee, telling me all the biased information that he was receiving from the Watchtower about how blood causes people to die, and blood has not been proven to have saved a single life.
It pisses me off to no end when JW's try to make a medical argument against blood when their position has NOTHING to do with medicine or health for that matter.
JW's refuse blood for one reason only - because the GB tells them God will kill them at Armageddon if they do
THAT'S IT!
they will avoid the real issue to no end and spend hours talking about AIDS or Hepatitis or some study that says blood weakens you for up to the first 12 hours so it actually does more harm than good blah blah blah
STOP HIDING YOUR BLIND OBEDIENCE TO THE GB BEHIND MEDICINE!!!
Walk in the courtroom and say what you believe:
"The watchtower is the sole channel of truth and are used by Jehovah God to teach the bible to true christians since we are incapable of understanding the bible without their help and they told me that God said I am not allowed to give my children blood even if it means they will die so please let my son die so Jehovah won't kill me at Armageddon"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5schopnecog.
it's difficult to imagine how this video could be more disingenuous and hypocritical.
cedars.
in of itself the video is nice. Where your "disingenuous and hypocritical" comment comes in is for what is NOT in the video, that is that only JW's are "good" friends, and nice "non-JW's" are not good friends either.
Branch out sure, but only inside the congregation since everyone in the world are bad association.
"you deserve better than that"
yes.... you deserve friends that will police you and report any independant thinking or thoughts of college/university to the elders so they can quickly act to recondition your thought process to align with the agenda of the WTS
well, for some jw's the gb new light is very very exciting.
in fact its the most exciting thing that has happened in a very long time.
this is what a long time jw told me.
WTS: "everything you used to believe is bullshit, you now believe this instead."
JW's: "YAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
many of you will be interested to know that irwin zalkin now has 11 lawsuits against watchtower at various stages.. these can be summarized as follows.... j.l.
shocked by the lack of action, the victims mother immediately left the congregation with her son.
by this stage campos was a known predator with complaints having been made to the elders at linda vista spanish, playa pacifica spanish and the watchtower dating back to 1982.elizabeth mcfarland ohio a former ministerial servant named scott silvasy sexually molested elizabeth when she was a child through her early teens.
this will no doubt curb the enthusiasm of current and wannabe elders. I for one, would not want to be an elder in California right now even having never committed any abuse.
I would be terrified of a false accusation, which of course is what many JW's will assume all of the cases actually are
just wanted to point out something that another poster brought up in the thread on the agm rumours, the writing department included a photo of a cuneiform tablet in their article on the origin of languages with a caption that states it is from 3000 bc.
this would pre-date the global flood myth and the fanciful tower of babel story altogether, hah!.
A clay tablet with cuneiform writing, from Mesopotamia, third millennium B.C.E.
http://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/wp20130901/did-languages-come-from-the-tower-of-babel/
my name is valerie.
i thought i would add my story to the archives, in case anyone else can relate.. i am a homeschooling mom of 2 young children, ages 7 & 5. i was "saved" (overused expression) when i was a child, attended awana until middle school, and then led a basic, worldy life as a "good person.".
one day, during a short separation from my husband, the doorbell rang.
I have placed a book in their home, entitled, "Documented FACTS the Watchtower Does Not Want YOU to Know!" (I hid it under some magazines in the bathroom).
baptized or not, this will brand you an apostate
"What happens, when the Watchtower and Bible don't agree... which one is true?" Reply:"That hasn't happened yet.
actually, everytime there is "new light" TM that means the old light TM did not agree with the bible
say this to a JW and just stand back and listen to the all the twists and turns in logic they take to make the now defunct truth somehow appropriate to have falsely believed for so many years
I am searching for the right questions to present to this nice man who has presented himself to me. He is an elder, but his native land is Cambodia. He has been a JW since 1982.
I honestly don't believe in taking away peoples happiness, if he is happy being a JW then leave him be. BUT if someone is trying to take away MY happiness then they are fair game.
For this man, he isn't trying to hurt you, so I would just ask one question and leave it with him. Let him decide if that goes any further.
I migh ask.....
Q - "so if all the new light you just learned from the Faithful Slave replaces what you used to beleive, then why did Holy Spirit guide the F&DS to teach the former falsehood for so many years?"
A follow up might be....
Q - "what if I rejected the witnesses years ago because of THAT false teaching? Would Jehovah not approve of me rejecting a false teaching?"
these are questions that cannot be answered without eyes opeing even a little bit, this can turn into eyes wide open or an immediate closing and rejection of the independant thought
in either case you will have done a good thing
looking at the public dec 2013 watchtower under bible questions answered it looks like they are saying that the invisible return of christ is completely in the future.
i thought that they always said it started in 1914?
am i reading this wrong?.
Jesus return has 2 phases now.
This is the spin on the wording of Matt 24:45
The Master will appoint the slave over his household (1914)
Happy will that slave be when upon his arrival he finds him doing so (future)
so 1914 is still end of gentile times and beginning of last days, but instead of counting years from his 2nd arrival/coming in 1914 the JW's will now count years from his future arrival (the 2nd part of his now 2 part 2nd arrival/coming)....which basically kicks off the great trib
clear as mud
so, i am talking to a long time friend, you know, the non-judgmental type that doesn't really mind that i don't go to many meetings and am never out in service.
he tells me that the annual meeting is coming up and that the whole congregation is invited...well, at least the active "approved" whole congregation.
he speaks with an excitement that puzzles me, like he just got invited to the locker room of his favorite football team when they won the superbowl.
I think it's an opportunity to fill up the Assembly Halls and charge the circuits/congregations for their use. Sat & Sun. Easily 3 meetings each day. Six "assemblies" @ $10K or $20K or more from each Assm Hall? CHA-CHING! Funds raised at KHalls for those events may even be directed to be sent to the WTS.
EXCELLENT POINT!!!!!!
