Posts by pale.emperor

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Elders Advice Backfired And Now Im The Happiest I've Ever Been

by pale.emperor in

just wanted to update you guys of the amazing couple of weeks i've had in recovering from the cult.. i was attending the meetings still just so i could see my daughter in the kingdom hall and have her sit we me half the time.

i had no intention of ever becoming a jw again but was hoping to be re-instated and just not turn up ever again so i could at least see my family.

but then an elder said something to me that changed all that.

pale.emperor

First off if there is an emergency medical problem you need to be made aware of it immediately.....if your ex doesn't understand that or some Elder or other family member thinks they need to keep you out of it especially linking that decision to some vague JW concerns a letter from your attorney needs to be sent to all parties spelling out that you and your ex are the decision makers.
Let them all know this is a legal matter not a religious one.

Way ahead of you. After "the milk incident" in the convention i went and see a lawyer pronto. He written up a nice little letter and mailed it to my old congregation and even to Bethel. If my daughter goes to hospital for any reason in future, Elders and especially the HLC are not allowed to turn up without my explicit permission (which of coarse will never be given).

Also, check out my other thread of when my girlfriend asked me what JW's believe. She thought i was making it up as i went along. I said "no that's the GB".

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5713659011530752/explaining-jw-beleifs-non-jws

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LEGO Makes Jehovah's Witness Publisher & Trolley Toys!

by PokerPlayerPhil in

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https://www.pinterest.com/pin/231020655862211703/.

i am taking orders for the limited collection that's guaranteed to bring you lots of enjoyment while you borrow your child's other toys pretending their your return visits.

if you missed out on the "gold girls" lego sets being sold after facebook and twitter made lego see the gold your in luck because the watchtower has assured the manufacture your going to sign a monthly pledge stating you can afford $7.77 for eight months.

pale.emperor

WHERE CAN WE FIND ANSWERS TO LIFES BIG QUESTIONS?

A library.

Next question?

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Elders Advice Backfired And Now Im The Happiest I've Ever Been

by pale.emperor in

just wanted to update you guys of the amazing couple of weeks i've had in recovering from the cult.. i was attending the meetings still just so i could see my daughter in the kingdom hall and have her sit we me half the time.

i had no intention of ever becoming a jw again but was hoping to be re-instated and just not turn up ever again so i could at least see my family.

but then an elder said something to me that changed all that.

pale.emperor

For those who mentioned my daughter, that's been my goal all along. I've said from the get go that i wont poke fun at her mums religion - but i WILL teach her to use critical thinking, logic and reason. That goes for anything i tell her too. Question, question, question... science, philosophy, math, literature, history... everything until you make up your own conclusion.

I doubt she'd ever become a JW. Her mother cant even explain why birthdays are "non-christian".

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Elders Advice Backfired And Now Im The Happiest I've Ever Been

by pale.emperor in

just wanted to update you guys of the amazing couple of weeks i've had in recovering from the cult.. i was attending the meetings still just so i could see my daughter in the kingdom hall and have her sit we me half the time.

i had no intention of ever becoming a jw again but was hoping to be re-instated and just not turn up ever again so i could at least see my family.

but then an elder said something to me that changed all that.

pale.emperor

I spent my Sunday in hers
Ermmm....you spent your Sunday in her what, exactly?

Hahaha Nooooooo i didn't mean that.

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Why the story of Noah's ark is scientifically impossible: Minimum Viable Population

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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i didn't know this but there is a way to calculate the minimum population required for a certain species to survive over the next 100 to 1000 years.

this is called the "minimum viable population".. genesis states that 2 (or 7) of each "kind" went into the ark.

supposing that each "kind" means each "species", and they all could fit in the ark, and they came out safely, most of the species would have died, because it is impossible to survive, long-term, with a starting population of 2.this is interesting:"an mvp of 500 to 1,000 has often been given as an average for terrestrial vertebrates when inbreeding or genetic variability is ignored.

pale.emperor

Not to mention those poor animals having to survive in little cages or pens on their feets all the time in the ark.

PETA would have a field day.

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Explaining JW Beleifs To Non JW's

by pale.emperor in

my new girlfriend asked me over dinner last night what jw's believe.

as i sat there explaining it i realized how ridiculous it sounds and was slightly embarrassed that i used to believe this crap for 31 years.. try and read this and imagine hearing it for the first time.... me: well... jw believe that god's name is jehovah and that his son is jesus christ.

they believe that jesus died on a stake and not a cross and that in the year 1914 he personally chosen the jw's as his one true religion.

pale.emperor

My new girlfriend asked me over dinner last night what JW's believe. As i sat there explaining it i realized how ridiculous it sounds and was slightly embarrassed that i used to believe this crap for 31 years.

Try and read this and imagine hearing it for the first time...

Me: Well... JW believe that God's name is Jehovah and that his son is Jesus Christ. They believe that Jesus died on a stake and not a cross and that in the year 1914 he personally chosen the JW's as his one true religion. This was his 2nd coming which they think really happened but they couldn't see it because it was invisible. They believe that there's 6 men in New York that Jesus chosen to be his mouthpiece on earth and they make all of the decisions as to what we're supposed to believe. They believe that Jesus isn't the mediator for you and me, he's the mediator for those 6 men in New York, and that OUR mediator is the 6 men in New York so we better do as they say without question. They have no doctorates or degrees from any university or theological establishment. They believe that at some point in the future Jesus will come to the earth and slaughter all the men, women and children who didn't become JW's.

If you're a good JW you might... might... survive this cataclysm. But you can get kicked out for committing sins such as celebrating a birthday, Christmas, defending someone's right to have a same sex relationship, allowing yourself or your family to have a blood transfusion, me sitting here in your home having dinner (they'd assume we had sex), and... oh yeah, disagreeing with what they print in their magazines and books.

Her: .................................................what?

Me: Yes. (embarrassed)

Her: What book do they use?

Me: The bible.

Her: And all this is in the bible?

Me: No, it's in their magazines.

Her: So what about me? I've never hurt anybody.

Me: You'd be destroyed in Armageddon because you didn't become a JW.

Her: And what about you?

Me: Im an apostate. I've committed the unforgivable sin. So even the blood of Jesus wouldn't save me.

Her: Thats messed up... cake?

Me: I'd love some, thanks babe.

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Incredible cover of book published in 1932

by Truthexplorer in

ok, i am reading through the book the watchtower and the masons by fritz spring meier which i am finding a fascinating read; and discovered that judge rutherford published the book 'cause of death'.

what is incredible is the book cover.

the book was published in 1932 which would have been a little bit more eye catching back then.

pale.emperor

Love the way they painted a blonde haired, white skinned Aryan maiden there. Herr Goebbels would be proud.

Go on WT, paint a middle eastern Adam and Eve for us. Or even a black Adam and a white eve!

God: You can have all the tree's you want. But dont eat from this one, this is MY tree ok?

Adam: Well why put it there?

God: No, i have to put it here so you can be tempted.

Adam: So you're the tempter?

God: No, the serpent is the tempter.

Adam: So it's the serpents tree?

God: No it's MY tree.

Adam: What is this, an Abbot and Costello routine?

Eve: (munch, munch, munch)

Adam: Aw shit

God: !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Adam: Something tells me this is gonna get out of hand.

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Elders Advice Backfired And Now Im The Happiest I've Ever Been

by pale.emperor in

just wanted to update you guys of the amazing couple of weeks i've had in recovering from the cult.. i was attending the meetings still just so i could see my daughter in the kingdom hall and have her sit we me half the time.

i had no intention of ever becoming a jw again but was hoping to be re-instated and just not turn up ever again so i could at least see my family.

but then an elder said something to me that changed all that.

pale.emperor

Just wanted to update you guys of the amazing couple of weeks i've had in recovering from the cult.

I was attending the meetings still just so i could see my daughter in the Kingdom Hall and have her sit we me half the time. I had no intention of ever becoming a JW again but was hoping to be re-instated and just not turn up ever again so i could at least see my family. But then an elder said something to me that changed all that. He was trying to be hard-ball with me with the idea that it'd make me "man up" and return to Jehovah - little did he know he actually helped speed up my recovery from the bOrg more than anything.

At convention time a few weeks ago my ex-wife went with her family and of course our 2yo daughter. On the Sunday our daughter suddenly became very ill and was vomiting constantly and becoming distressed. The "first aid" people didn't know what to do (why would they? non of them have been to college have they?) so my daughter was sent to hospital to be examined. Turns out she'd found a bottle of day old milk that has been festering in a plastic bag and drank it. (Im not gonna go into how irresponsible her mother was for not watching her closely enough).

Anyway. This happened on the Sunday - i wasn't told about it until TUESDAY. So annoyed i rang an elder in my old congregation who took my wife and daughter to the hospital asking why i wasnt informed. His reply: "We were concerned that you would turn up to the convention arena and in trying to help you would talk to JW's".

Anyway. After a long discussion about what Jehovah wants and what selfish Pale.Emperor wants we ended the discussion. He finished by saying "As JW's we have a loving family-like relationship which you're no longer a part of. Dont you wish you could come back into this loving family?"

And my answer was so easy... no.

No i dont wish to be part of some wierd family relationship where we all have to agree on the same thing in order to be part of that family. To be loved on the basis that i have the same religion and the same opinions as everyone else. Hell, i'd rather my family and friends have different thoughts and interpretations - that way we can have some great insightful and reflective conversations over dinner, around a fire or on walks and at the end of it all still be friends.

The support off you guys on here has been phenomenal. John Cedars YouTube videos have been informative and highly entertaining at time too.

So... i stopped attending meetings and spent my Thursdays and Sundays doing something more worthwhile. I've met a wonderful woman who likes me just the way i am and hasn't made me feel like i should be doing more, reaching out for some sort of "privilege", nor do we ask someone elses permission before we make decisions. It was so nice to get with someone without religion being the reason you get together. I spent my Sunday in hers chilling out and laughing.

I'm the happiest I've ever been. I'm 100% out of the WT society and i'll never look back. Sure, i have no family but i accept that the way it is and im determined to be a good guy and deal with whatever life throws at me without relying on a future cataclysm to come and wipe out people who disagree with me.

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I've had enough..

by raven in

so last night, after thinking "wow those pesky elders have finally left me alone, maybe since i skipped out on their jc invitation back on august 1st they've given up" wrong.. i go to check the mail and there's an envelope at my front door- lo and behold, another letter from from these elders.. why won't they leave me alone already?

i'll attach a picture of the letter.. again, same letter as the first one inviting me to a judicial committee on august 15th - and signed by all three elders.. should i just continue to ignore?

quite frankly i don't give a rats arse i've been enjoying life free from the mind control of the organization, and i just wish they would drop it and let me live life.. like i mentioned before, i am moving to a new home next week, the only reason these elders have my current address ( which happens to be over 100 miles away from the cong ) is because my mother gave it to them, after i gave it to her in confidence to forward me my mail.. so lets just say she won't be getting my new address... i don't have any contact with ones from this congregation (i'm an ex pioneer, so i'm sure if they've gotten word on what i'm doing, i must be satan himself!

pale.emperor

Here's what you do: pop the letter back into the envelope and write RETURN TO SENDER, NO LONGER AT THIS ADDRESS. You never received it.

Also, whoever the elder in the middle is his signature is rather flamboyant. Speaks volumes of his personality.

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Weekend visit from JWs.

by redvip2000 in

had a visit from the jws this week.

i've lived in this house since 2012 and this is the first time, they have reached me at home - quite the urgent work.. anyway, i was home on saturday morning and around 10am, there was a knock.

i had a feeling it would be them.

pale.emperor

From my experience as a born in JW, raised, baptized at 19yo and woke up at 31yo - i did love a good bible discussion. But the one thing that would knock me is people USING the bible to prove me wrong.

When they come to knock on my door i have 2 approaches to use:

1. Show me in the bible (no WT magazines allowed) the 1914 teaching and the overlapping generation.

2. Show enthusiasm then ask "if i join can i preach to my family and hope to being them in to? I can?! But then what if years later i dont believe in it anymore? Can i leave? And still talk to my family? How about my daughter, if she gets baptized at 14 and stops believing when she's say 19 can i still talk to her? No? Bye!