Posts by pale.emperor

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"We Had No Idea How Manipulative He Can Be!"

by pale.emperor in

very stressfull and upsetting evening was had last night.

i dropped my 2yo daughter off to my ex-wifes home.

all seemed good until i got home.

pale.emperor

There is a handbook published by Jws on how to lie in court over custody battles. Your lawyer should have a copy

I never knew this. Does anyone have a PDF of it?

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"We Had No Idea How Manipulative He Can Be!"

by pale.emperor in

very stressfull and upsetting evening was had last night.

i dropped my 2yo daughter off to my ex-wifes home.

all seemed good until i got home.

Thanks for the support and advice guys. I'm talking to a solicitor this week. I'm trying to collect as much evidence of the cult's stance on "how to treat disfellowshipped ones" and the effects the JW's have on families and their view of non Witnesses. Obviously this would look better coming from a physical copy of their magazines/books so i'll do some digging.

Of course, their website is very dishonest when it says "normal family ties continue" - that's only for those living at home. Anyone would think the witnesses are embarrassed that they shun defectors.

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Did you ever experience true kindness in the Org?

by HereIgo in

i remember when i was about 17, i started shunning an older brother because he was disfellowshipped.

when i graduated high school, he pulled me aside and said " i know you are not supposed to talk to me, but i want you to have this" it was a gift that he had custom made for me.

i was so blown away, we never even had a real conversation before.

pale.emperor

I can honestly say, hand on heart, there were only 3 elders that were genuinely loving and even now i have deep respect for.

As for the rest of the rank and file, there are less than 10 that i would say were genuine christian qualities. The rest were unapproachable and wouldn't speak to me unless they had to.

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Meeting Attendance levels

by freddo in

jw
friends

i attended a sunday meeting today after missing a couple due to a bout of chronic apathy.

out of 74 publishers we had a grand total of 33. wonderful.

for those that attend, how are you finding the numbers?.

pale.emperor

My old cong would average about 70-80 on a good day. However, there were lots of families with children.

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"We Had No Idea How Manipulative He Can Be!"

by pale.emperor in

very stressfull and upsetting evening was had last night.

i dropped my 2yo daughter off to my ex-wifes home.

all seemed good until i got home.

pale.emperor

Very stressfull and upsetting evening was had last night. I dropped my 2yo daughter off to my ex-wifes home. All seemed good until i got home. She called me and ranted, shouted, screamed and wouldnt let me get a word in for a solid hour and a half. The reason? Because on one of the days that i had my daughter i visited a family that was putting up their christmas tree with their little kids. My daughter was overjoyed with the decorations and helped. She danced with the other little kids, painted, played with toys, had lunch and a fun time was had by all. I wasnt keeping this a secret from my wife but i didnt tell her about it either. She called me, absolutely livid, because our daughter had mixed with non-JW children, had put up a christmas tree and been in someones house that she didnt know.

Irony overload when she said "how do i know these people arnt pedophiles for goodness sake?!!"

Then came a torrent of abuse, name calling and accusations. She told me somethings which, if true, are quite upsetting. Such as:

My family being in contact with her and telling her how cruel i am that i dont allow my daughter to visit unless im there. (My family are shunning me, but expect me to drop my daughter off for visits, leave, then come back and get her when the visit is over). My sister and mother have told their elders and the rest of the family that me doing so is very manipulative and cruel. To which the elders in my old congregation have said "We had no idea how manipulative he can be!"

My ex-best friend in the congregation saying that i encouraged him to go to a strip club. (We did go a strip club, it was his bachelor party and HIS idea!)

The congregation all talking about me saying i dont care for my daughter. (LIE)

BUT THE WORST IS YET TO COME... she called the elders. Two elders visited her home and asked my 2yo girl about me. Apparently, a 2yo child told them that i have women over in my house all the time. How a 2yo can articulate such a claim is beyond me. The truth is, when im with my daughter NO ONE is allowed to visit me. Thats my time with my daughter. My ex doesnt believe this and is now only allowing me to see my girl 1 day every 2 weeks!!

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UK 'blood' court case re:2yo

by darkspilver in

hi orphancrow.

thought you might be interested in the following, brief, court case summary.

high court family division - 18 november 2016an nhs foundation hospital v mr and mrs t. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2016/2980.html.

pale.emperor

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Noted. It wont happen again.

I get really annoyed when a little child is involved.

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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

"is he 'in the truth'?".

most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.

pale.emperor

I had told the elders that they should not be calling themselves "The Truth" even if they had true doctrines because that phrase applied to Jesus alone (John 14:6).

Thats a very good point.

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UK 'blood' court case re:2yo

by darkspilver in

hi orphancrow.

thought you might be interested in the following, brief, court case summary.

high court family division - 18 november 2016an nhs foundation hospital v mr and mrs t. http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/ewhc/fam/2016/2980.html.

pale.emperor

I think this is one of those cases where the parents are willingly letting this go to court and willingly allow the court to make the choice for them so that they cant be dragged to a JC by the elders. My heart goes out to them and especially to the little boy.

Fuck those elders. And fuck the governing body.

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Were you aware of the shunning policy when becoming a JW

by UnshackleTheChains in

for those who became jws, were you fully aware of the societys cruel shunning policy whilst studying?

i absolutely had no idea such a policy existed until years later.

it really only hit home when reading the horrendous stories on the internet around 2002. .

pale.emperor

I was born in and i was aware that we shun disfellowshipped ones. I had no idea that people could disassociate. I thought you could just go on your merry way and continue being friends with witnesses. It wasnt until i was about 24 that i learned if you leave you get the same treatment as a disfellowshipped person.

And remember, since infancy i was taught the disfellowshipped people are the ones who wernt sorry for what they did. So i thought shunning them was right. A picture was instilled in me of a self rightous, rebel sitting in a JC with 3 elders pleading with the person to repent. How wrong i was.

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How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

by stuckinarut2 in

it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

"is he 'in the truth'?".

most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.

pale.emperor

On the rare occasion that a Jehovah's Witness will talk to me, i refer to their religion as "your religion". And if they use say "the truth" i remind them that that would mean Rutherford, Knorr, and every JW prior to the "overlapping generation" teaching wernt in "the truth" then were they?

The most annoying is the book "What Does The Bible Really Teach?" which has been updated at least twice since it was first published... so the first edition wasn't what the bible really taught? Was it in fact apostasy then? Are the writers of the first edition to attend a JC for writing such lies?