Posts by pale.emperor

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

pale.emperor

*** w08 1/15 p. 22 par. 11 Counted Worthy to Receive a Kingdom ***
The Hebrew Scriptures were written in the first place for the fleshly nation of Israel during the time that they had a special relationship with God. The Christian Greek Scriptures were written primarily for “the Israel of God,” those anointed as brothers of Christ and spiritual sons of God. Of course, that in no way suggests that non-Israelites could not derive great benefit from studying the Hebrew Scriptures. Similarly, Christians who are not anointed with holy spirit derive immeasurable benefits from studying and living according to the counsel found in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Im flabbergasted. I never knew this when i was in. It smacks the whole point of being a Christian in the face. How dare they!!

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after much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.

midnight..

pale.emperor

Ok midnight. I'm glad you're at least making an informed decision. But please be aware that Jehovah's direction to the Israelites, to Moses, to Abraham, to Noah, to Enoch etc was always very clear. Why would he suddenly become so vague in his messages to his people (allegedly the Jehovah's Witnesses)?

Also remember that your life will no longer be your own, you'll be under the scrutiny of elders (non trained in theology or counseling) and Watchtowers ever changing doctrine that will flip flop as this organization goes on.

Your very first post says:

i find life hard facing up to mortality etc not having the new system hope

Mortality is something that is not nice to think about. But just because we want to go on living with our loved ones doesn't mean we will. Nor does it mean that the witnesses have "the truth". I implore you to read the bible on its own first, or even look into eastern theology and philosophy before rushing into anything. May i suggest philosopher Alan Watts? His lectures are on YouTube and are quite thought provoking.

All that aside. I wish you well. Sincerely.

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

pale.emperor

JWs believe the whole of the New Testament is addressed to the anointed, not the other sheep.

slimboyfat do you have a cross reference from any Watchtower publication for this? I'd love to have it to hand the next time they come knocking. I didnt know this when i was a JW and i'd be sure many others wouldn't either.

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Now I'm Convinced There Probably Is No God

by pale.emperor in

yesterday i made a visit to the museum in my city.

the top floor is the planetarium, which has a connecting room with a huge dome ceiling where they project lessons and lectures and you have a 360 view of the night sky etc.. this particular lecture explained about our galaxy, and how it's only one of billions in the universe.

and then we learned about each planet, some of their moons and the sun.

pale.emperor

...the flood and the ultimate destruction of the wicked by fire represent the Earth's baptism, first by water, then by fire. And as we're redeemed, so Earth is redeemed. As we escape death, so Earth will be glorified, redeemed and sanctified.

1. The earth was not baptized. The earth didn't commit a sin and need "saving".

2. Baptism was introduced by John the baptist, not before.

3. The whole earth did not receive fire and brimstone, only Sodom and Gomorrah did.

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

pale.emperor

Now that im not longer a JW this verse puzzles me. Being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that Jesus was talking about a paradise on earth. But now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here? How can they inherit the earth but be in heaven? And who will be on the earth if people are destined to go to heaven?

Im asking purely for interest. I dont believe the bible is inspired any more than Herge's Adventures of Tintin is.

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Shunning

by A Believer in

you guys do know that if you just leave and never go back you wont be disfellowshiped right?

i know people who have done exactly this.

you have to commit a sin and you or someone else has to tell a elder.

pale.emperor

And if you think it's ok to just leave when you want and go your merry way and not expect any reprisals, take a look at an S77 form:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwqmWMK7dwtlX2JwcV8tbEtBX3M/view

This is the form the elders fill in about you if you get disfellowshipped or disassociate... disassociated ones are treated exactly the same as disfellowshipped ones. Joining another religion, accepting a blood transfusion or joining the army are all they need you to do in order to declared you disassociated. It's check mate my friend.

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Reaching the most distant parts - Geoffrey Jackson praising Bible translators and missionaries as "faithful ones" or even "anointed ones"

by TheWonderofYou in

after we heard some time ago that before the time of russel there was no "faitful slave" or no anointed ones who formed a faitful slave class, now we learn that we dont know if before russel there were not "faitful ones" or "anointed".

indeed jackson says that we know the bible teaches that throughout the history there would be a large number of "sons of the kingdom" ..or anointed ones.. beginning from this month in several projects including a film about christian bible translators who gave an example of "faithfulness" and "discretness" in translating the bible, the christian bibletranslators and missionionaries who used "jehovah" by the way are receiving ultimate praise of the governing body, in the first place at the moment is shown the video about tyndale, wo so is very much supposedly a "faithful one" and perhaps even "anointed" because he loved the bible.. jackson says that those early missionaries of the christendom already "preached the message" before russell.

january broadcast.

pale.emperor

But of course Tyndale believed in the cross, hellfire and the trinity so he'd be disfellowshipped.

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Clearly, they're hunting down irregular publishers

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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look at this graph:.

it has the % difference between the peak number of publishers and the average number of publishers for that year.

this number can only be positive.. what the graph tells us is that there is a clear trend towards hunting down inactive and/or irregular publishers.

pale.emperor

I remember the announcement that we could now count 30mins/15mins in the ministry. Then lo and behold, the next yearbook shown that the ministry hours had shot up. Straight away i saw through that crap and wondered why our loving GB would need to stoop to that level. Now when you think about it, it also makes the inactive ones able to put in 15mins or so just to keep on them on the books.

Im quite glad my ministry reports were all fiction. Surely there's many more that do that?

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Now I'm Convinced There Probably Is No God

by pale.emperor in

yesterday i made a visit to the museum in my city.

the top floor is the planetarium, which has a connecting room with a huge dome ceiling where they project lessons and lectures and you have a 360 view of the night sky etc.. this particular lecture explained about our galaxy, and how it's only one of billions in the universe.

and then we learned about each planet, some of their moons and the sun.

pale.emperor

So you are "certain" of the "confidence" of his non existence?

I'm sorry but until you remove the "probably" from your statement the atheist society cannot accept your membership application.
And as much as we want, we can not share our secret hand shake/fist bump with you nor invite you to our monthly gatherings wherein we mock believers and act all carnally.
Rules!

Woops! Sorry guys i've just noticed how that title doesn't even make sense.

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Some apostates are coming across as crazed psychopaths

by jambon1 in

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i'm not sure whether or not my view on this is correct so please leave your input.

in recent months i've been viewing youtube videos.

again, it might just be my view but there has been an increased amount of random people grabbing a camera and doing vlogs.

pale.emperor

I agree. My videos dont feature me, just video recordings of talks, little informational videos and Rutherford recordings of him putting his foot in it.

JW's would just love us to get all angry and confrontational with them. It just reaffirms their delusion that they're special like the apostles when they were "persecuted".