Welcome to the forum. If needs must I could go to the KH if it's being broadcast and secretly film it. Wifi bandit usually has leaked stuff perhaps he can help.
pale.emperor
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New member + anyone attended/seen the Zone Visit?
by Isambard Crater ini'm a new member so wanted to say 'hi'.
i live in the u.k, was born in, fell away as an unbaptised publisher, got baptised in my 30s for reasons i'm retrospectively unsure of, and lost my faith about five years ago around the time of the original a.r.c.
now, being unable to leave is making me physically, emotionally and mentally ill.. i have been visiting this forum for a couple of years and wanted to post my first message to see if anyone has attended, heard or watched the zone visit broadcast thing happening this month?
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My older brother has stopped his bible study
by pale.emperor ingood news people.
my older brother has abruptly stopped his bible study with the witnesses.
he was part-time shunning me during his study and his behavior was beginning to change into cult mode but he was thankfully woken up.
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pale.emperor
I think the society is starting to feel the strain. My sister told him it's not fair that her friends still talk to their faded family members yet she has to shun me just because im officially announced as no longer a JW.
Let's hope there's a mutiny.
Link to "we dont shun" article here:
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My older brother has stopped his bible study
by pale.emperor ingood news people.
my older brother has abruptly stopped his bible study with the witnesses.
he was part-time shunning me during his study and his behavior was beginning to change into cult mode but he was thankfully woken up.
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pale.emperor
Good news people. My older brother has abruptly stopped his bible study with the witnesses. He was part-time shunning me during his study and his behavior was beginning to change into cult mode but he was thankfully woken up. Wanna know how? One - little - seed - that i planted about 2 months ago the last time he spoke to me. He was very preachy to me about armageddon being so close and how i should return to Jehovah, so i asked him "how does someone leave?". He said they could just go. I reminded him that leaving voluntarily also results in shunning. He said people can just stop going and they're not shunned. I asked him to ask his study conductor.
So two months later (today) he tells me that his study conductor told him they DONT shun people who leave voluntarily. He was even shown a Questions From Readers article backing up their claim (https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/shunning/). He then asked my sister (an uber-dub). She also confirmed that people can just leave if they want to, with no reprisals.
THEN... he see's this video on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYASqqlLBP4
The announcement in the last RC to shun those who've managed to fade. He went back to his study conductor and asked about it. He asked HOW does someone leave once they've joined. He got the truth eventually... essentially, you cant.
So that was that. He felt lied to and want nothing to do with them. He last line hit the nail on the head "if they were lying to me about that, how can i trust anything they say?"
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Were You Ever A True Believer?
by minimus ini was raised in the religion and for the most part believed that my religion was truth.
i recognized some mistakes were occasionally made but felt that nobody is perfect.
then i smartened up and realized how dumb so many of the beliefs are....was there ever a time that you truly believed you had the "truth"?.
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pale.emperor
I was a true believer, but at the same time i believed there is more to it than what we read. As a child in school i can still remember feeling so close to Jehovah. As if he was my best friend. I'd talk to him in my head and pray all the time (i sound quite mad dont i?). And there were times i thought Jehovah had indeed answered my prayers. But then, i was also convinced that i'd never leave school because armageddon was just around the corner.
I remember 1995 and some in my congregation saying this will surely be the last Dec 25th the world will ever see because, how much worse could the world get?
It wasn't until i was about 22yo that i started to realize that what i believed was not entirely what the rest of the JW's believed. I didn't agree with shunning those who leave voluntarily and want to be left alone. I didn't know we were supposed to shun those who leave formally. I didn't understand the ransom. I still dont in fact. If Jesus died for our sins then all we have to do is be sorry and it's glossed over? But then why confess to elders? They're imperfect and God and I know the full story. Then there were the stupid stories of Jehovah providing a Circuit Overseer with a kitchen renovation while that very same day two airplanes crashed into the world trade center. Stuff like that makes you step back and think.
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" We don't need no university education"
by The Rebel ini left school at 16, because i was studying and getting the best " university education" in the world.
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how did the theocratic ministry school benefit you?.
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TMS may or may not have helped other than giving me opportunities to prove to myself I had the skill set for public speaking.
Same here. The TMS didn't actually teach me anything, it just put me on the platform and gave me the opportunity to speak publicly. I really enjoyed it to be honest but i never listened to the feedback, just nodded along and critiqued myself.
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Elusive response from Japan's Branch
by yoko N inan active jw living in tokyo is expressing extreme hate in twitter to those who are in different religion, admirers of musicians, those who love toplay air soft guns.. linkpeople who saw it got angry and exposed his real name,congregation where his associating with, his address, his professionon the internet.. linkthis guy wouldn’t stop expressing hate, so somebody spread softdrinks and gambages in front of the porch of his house.causing some uproar.some jws are writing, calling,sending fax to japan’s branch office tostop this man,because this cause bad reputation about jws as a whole.. branch office keep denying accepting letter, fax.they are saying they don’t know anything about the disturbance.a little newspaper on the internet wrote the article about this,.
linkand branch offices finally admitted accepting a letter of complaint.--------“ did you accept the letter we sent you?branch :yes-----did you read it?branch: no, man in charge should read it.---are you not in charge ?branch: no ------where the man in charge?branch: he is not available right now.. -------when can i talk to that person?
branch: i don’t knowthis kind of elusive conversation is going on and on and on.growing number of people is aware of the incident,and calling to the branch.disgusted of their elusive attitude.this keeps going.
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pale.emperor
Could you explain why someone leaving a soft drink outside someones door is a big deal? Only in Japan!
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How many years did you waste away in the Org?
by Tallon inin my case; 27 years.
7 of which were as a ministerial serpent ... sorry, i mean 'servant' ;).
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pale.emperor
Born in. Baptized aged 19 because social pressure and you wernt taken seriously unless you were baptized.
Woke up aged 31 and DA'd (then DF'd anyway) aged 32.
I dont regard it as a waste though, i see the positive. I can now smell bullshit a mile away, im very critical when im presented with sweeping statements and i now know more about this religion than most active witnesses.
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Are There Many JWs That Have Actually Left?
by minimus init seems that most people who have been witnesses that i've known in the last 20 years are still jws.
they may not be as zealous as before but they still remain as jehovah's witnesses.
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A lot stay in for the social club and to keep their family.
This is true. It was certainly true for me. The GB has to make leaving intolerable, how can they do that? By holding your family hostage against you.
The warm fuzzy feeling is missed by me i must admit. It was nice to "belong" to something even though i had doubts.
Young ones are dropping off little by little. I know 3 from the hall i grew up in that are living in sin and still are very much included in witness parties and family. They arnt being shunned despite the latest ruling from the RC to shun inactive ones. They faded for only about 6 months before doing this, their family must not want to lose touch which is fantastic.
Im seeing a lot of apathy with most people though. The JW's are shooting themselves in the foot by being so "cliquey" because the ones not in the popular crowd are just leaving.
I look forward to the death of this cult in my lifetime. At best it'll become a new religion in about 20 years.
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What is the alternative to JW?
by Formerbrother ini mean this with all due respect, i would like to hear from genuine people who think jw have it wrong and then what is the truth?.
im not talking about silly little quibbles here and there.. is jehovah real?
the the bible is word?
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pale.emperor
Lets look at THE FACTS shall we?
1. The bible is a collection of 66 books that "made it". There were many other books that didnt make it. So of course the bible is going to agree with itself if you remove the books that contradict it (even though there are still contradictions if you look for them).
2. From what i read, Jesus didn't start a religion, nor did he shun those who decided to leave. He gave people a method of living and his take on God, forgiveness and love. Something we can all emulate regardless of religion.
3. If the bible is "your book" and Jesus is your model then you dont need anyone else. That's it. If someone compels you into something or tries to change your way of thinking you need to flip open your bible and decided for yourself with you "bible trained conscience" if your understanding of the bible and it's message is correct. No other person or book is to be used to change your beliefs.
But then, im an atheist now so it may as well me Lord Of The Rings as far as im concerned.