Posts by pale.emperor

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What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

by Jules Saturn in

what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

are you a born again christian?

have you joined another denomination of christianity?

pale.emperor

I thought I was an atheist until some things happened that made me question that too.

I think everything has a reasonable explanation. I was sitting at the piano only last night and i could very clearly hear someone running up and down the stairs. It wasn't my daughter because she was fast asleep in bed, and she's only 3 so cant run up and down them. As a JW i would have been convinced it was demons. Turns out it was her next door doing her exercises.

Being an atheist for me is living without fear of anything supernatural. If something supernatural does happen, i'd be curious to figure it out using science and mathematics. Not faith. Imagine if someone could prove with science and mathematics that they can talk to the dead. That'd be the greatest scientific discovery ever. We could use it to solve crimes, answer questions and advance humanity. But no... "mediums" dont do that. They just charge you £70 to tell you they're getting the name "John" or "Joe" or "Jodie?".

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conventions...

by zeb in

jw
friends

ah yes the convention is approaching.

wife is squirreled away with her wt books, her laptop and the tablet thing ..even at meals.. conversation is a word or two and not often.

spoken to.. doesn't answer.. and on return it will be grumps on for at least a week.. anyone else know this phenomenon?.

pale.emperor

This is me at the last convention i ever attended back in 2014. As you can see i look absolutely thrilled, invigorated and so full of joy to be surrounded by "gods people".

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New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

by pale.emperor in

has anyone else heard this?

a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

pale.emperor

Thanks for the clarification guys. The post was here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5728687389409280/jw-renaming-things-this?page=5 third comment down from JW Gone Bad.

When i was DF'd and still attended for the first 2 weeks i made sure i sat right in the middle. It was great having an entire row to myself.

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New Announcement At The 2017 - DF'd People To Sit At The Back Of The Hall

by pale.emperor in

has anyone else heard this?

a poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.. last year they were told to shun even non df people and now this?

a religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?.

pale.emperor

Has anyone else heard this? A poster on another thread said it's a new rule brought in at this years convention.

Last year they were told to shun even non DF people and now this? A religion cant force someone where to plonk their ass surely?

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JW renaming things: "It's Not this, it's ....."

by Muddy Waters in

this was brought up in another thread, but i thought it should have its own thread.

feel free to add your own observations and experience.

the jws are so duplicit, and they rename things to somehow justify their own irrationalities.

pale.emperor

...and by the way (according a video at the 2017 RC) the JW repentant sinner has to sit at the back of the Kingdom Hall and face further segregation and humiliation during that year-long reinstatement process!

Seriously? Has anyone got a video/sound recording of this?

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What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

by Jules Saturn in

what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

are you a born again christian?

have you joined another denomination of christianity?

pale.emperor

You are the second exJW that has said they have embraced Buddhist philosophy in their life, I wonder if it would help me find some peace?

It will. As i said, im not a Buddhist, nor do i believe in reincarnation or karma but somethings the Buddha said are remarkable similar to Jesus and he predates him by hundreds of years.

I highly recommend this book: https://www.amazon.co.uk/Teachings-Buddha-Jack-Kornfield/dp/1590305086

Take what you like from it and use it, discard which you dont feel you agree with. You'll go through life a lot more relaxed and calm.

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conventions...

by zeb in

jw
friends

ah yes the convention is approaching.

wife is squirreled away with her wt books, her laptop and the tablet thing ..even at meals.. conversation is a word or two and not often.

spoken to.. doesn't answer.. and on return it will be grumps on for at least a week.. anyone else know this phenomenon?.

pale.emperor

My ex is over the top "happy". Almost as if she's trying to convince me that she's "happy" and "really looking forward to the convention" even though i never asked her. It's obvious to me that she'd rather stay at home or go shopping or do something fun instead of having to attend the three day waste of time called The Convention.

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What are your beliefs now, religious/non religious?

by Jules Saturn in

what are your convictions now that you are no longer one of jehovah's witnesses?

are you a born again christian?

have you joined another denomination of christianity?

pale.emperor

I ask these questions because of a conversation I had once with my father who said "If none of this is true, then there is no truth."

Oh my word, this is almost exactly what i used to say too!

I used to say "if the JWs are wrong, then there is no Christianity". Meaning the one true Christianity is what JWs are teaching. Everything else is wrong.

How closed minded and presumptuous of me. When i woke up i still believed in God. I decided to read the bible on its own, not the NWT, a real translation. New International Version. I spent months reading it in my spare time. I highlighted verses that i thought were inspiring in one colour and ones i didn't understand in another colour and would look into these in more detail using Bible encyclopedias. When i finished my conclusion was that the bible is a mass of contradiction. I saw Jesus as a narcissist, cult leader or conman. Absolutely no evidence outside of the bible of Jesus performing any miracle. I saw Paul as someone who took a little cult and turned it into his own bigger cult. I saw the old testament as a vicious, cruel, desert God that is actually more like a devil. I saw Satan as the more understandable character - in opposition to this cruel desert God.

Then i read The Teachings Of The Buddha. This is very interesting book. I'm not a Buddhist but i have incorporated at least half of Buddhist philosophy into my life. I studied Hinduism, Tao, Confucianism, read Nietzsche, Richard Dawkins and The Satanic Bible. The books that had the biggest effect on me was The Satanic Bible and The God Delusion. Those two really did destroy and semblance of a belief in any God and that's where i started to live without fear, regret or guilt.

I also listened/watched Tony Robbins, studied NLP, Hypnosis and listened to philosopher Alan Watts.

This is my recovery programme which i'd recommend any ex-JW to embark on. It's probably why i managed to recover from 100% militant JW to free and easy, guilt free, happy apostate within a year.

I cannot for the life of me understand why anyone would become a born again christian. To me they seem like the most deluded of all the so-called Christian religions. Love god or he'll burn you? Please. Sounds like an abusive mentally ill father to me. I say fuck him.

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Lessons learned from the wife of lot drama

by purrpurr in

the video drama shown at the recent comvention was called "the wife of lot".

i noticed some stuble lessons being taught in this soap opera style video.... firstly, all the bad influence comes from women, its the wife and the mother in law whose pushing for more money and a better lifestyle.

while the men remain loyal to god, can't show the men going astray now can we?.

pale.emperor

Who was the "joey from Friends" character? I missed that.

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Lessons learned from the wife of lot drama

by purrpurr in

the video drama shown at the recent comvention was called "the wife of lot".

i noticed some stuble lessons being taught in this soap opera style video.... firstly, all the bad influence comes from women, its the wife and the mother in law whose pushing for more money and a better lifestyle.

while the men remain loyal to god, can't show the men going astray now can we?.

pale.emperor

I found the acting quite over the top. I mean, didnt the Asian actors/actresses feel like they were being characterized? The way the mother in law calls her daughters promotion "big money job". What?