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  Current JW Go Fund Me requests

  by Listener in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  this topic was discussed a few years ago and i thought i would have a look to see what is going on with go fund me's by jws.

  i am astounded that there are a great deal more jws requesting money than there were a few years ago and even by pioneers.i've only looked in detail at a few jw go fund me requests but came across this one that i am stunned about on a number of levels.. my little maryhello friends.

  meet my wonderful girlfriend mary, a 23 year old "need greater pioneer"serving in the english field in san marcos nicaragua.

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  I wonder if they'd need a Go Fund Me page if Tony Morris needed his spleen removed?
  
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  The WatchTower conductor lied on stage

  by Isambard Crater in

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  2. beliefs

  on sunday morning in the watchtower study, a "study" who was their for the 1st time put his hand up and said; "i have a question.

  when the paragraph says give up everything, it doesn't really mean give up everything like the pearl merchant, does it, like be willing to lose my modest house, cheap car and other basics i own?

  i mean, that sounds a bit much".. the watchtower conductor said in response; "no, it's just a parable and it doesn't mean give up everything.

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  Watchtower June 2017 Study Edition. Page 10:

  4. If we love God’s Kingdom as much as the merchant loved the pearl, what will we do?

  4 What is the lesson for us? The truth of God’s Kingdom is like that priceless pearl. If we love it as much as the merchant loved that pearl, we will be willing to give up everything in order to become and to remain one of the subjects of the Kingdom. (Read Mark 10:28-30.) Consider two individuals who did just that.

  
  

  This paragraph could be taken as meaning giving up everything thats non JW approved or sanctioned by the society. College, personal interests not related to Watchtower etc. And many JWs will have come to this conclusion in their heads no matter if the person on the platform confirms it or not. My bet is, this paragraph will be dug up some time in the future to remind us that JW.borg is more important than anything you may want (you selfish piece of dust you).
  
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  What would happen to a JW who respectfully refused to fill out a no blood DPA?

  by Island Man in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i know you'll be involuntarily disassociated if you unrepentantly accepted a blood transfusion; and i know you'll be disfellowshipped for apostasy if you openly disagreed with watchtower teaching.

  what if you have done none of the above but simply respectfully refused to fill out the dpa without giving any reason for your refusal - so they can't accuse you of openly disagreeing with the no-blood doctrine and df you for apostasy.

  they don't know why you're refusing and you're not giving them the reason - and you're being very respectful.. what can they do?.

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  I dont know if they could do anything actually. You have the right to not talk about your medical care.

  I personally didnt fill one out for the last 3 years and no one asked me. So as long as you dont openly mention it you'll probably get away with it.

  If pressed, i'd just say "i've made my own arrangements with my Dr regarding my medical care". If they push the issue i'd ask them to respect my privacy and if necessary get the police involved if they keep pushing.
  
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  Is it alright for a Disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witness to Date?

  by preacherman in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  it is said that a dfed is handed over to satan and left alone in his or her gross unrepentant conduct.

  however, you'll agree with me that not all dfeds are living that way.

  the truth is that some have actually repented and stopped their bad conducts but have fallen victim to the legalistic and procedural expediences of the wbts which makes it very difficult for some to come back in the shortest period of time.

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  He/she should do whatever they wish, but why would you limit yourself to looking for a partner who shares your superstitions? How about dating a rational person?

  Love this!
  
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  Is it alright for a Disfellowshipped Jehovah's Witness to Date?

  by preacherman in

  1. social
  2. relationships

  it is said that a dfed is handed over to satan and left alone in his or her gross unrepentant conduct.

  however, you'll agree with me that not all dfeds are living that way.

  the truth is that some have actually repented and stopped their bad conducts but have fallen victim to the legalistic and procedural expediences of the wbts which makes it very difficult for some to come back in the shortest period of time.

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  ...which church can you recommend to such a one for finding decent marriage partners?

  There are good people inside and outside of churches. Your idea of what is "decent" is subjective and relative. There is no one universal thing that everyone would find desirable in a partner.

  But to answer your first question, i wouldnt even bother playing the reinstatement game unless of course you honestly think the Watchtower society has "the truth™". But if you do think that then you need to read JWFacts.com.

  Live your life on your terms and you'll find yourself in a happier place.
  
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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  I was researching the subject of "self esteem" for a paper im working on. The Wikipedia article is very enlightening: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-esteem

  Give it a read if you have the time. In a nutshell, people with a healthy self esteem display the following characteristics... all of which is abhorrent to Watchtower:

  • Firmly believe in certain values and principles, and are ready to defend them even when finding opposition, feeling secure enough to modify them in light of experience.[13]
  • Are able to act according to what they think to be the best choice, trusting their own judgment, and not feeling guilty when others do not like their choice.[13]
  • Do not lose time worrying excessively about what happened in the past, nor about what could happen in the future. They learn from the past and plan for the future, but live in the present intensely.[13]
  • Fully trust in their capacity to solve problems, not hesitating after failures and difficulties. They ask others for help when they need it.[13]
  • Consider themselves equal in dignity to others, rather than inferior or superior, while accepting differences in certain talents, personal prestige or financial standing.[13]
  • Understand how they are an interesting and valuable person for others, at least for those with whom they have a friendship.[13]
  • Resist manipulation, collaborate with others only if it seems appropriate and convenient.[13]
  • Admit and accept different internal feelings and drives, either positive or negative, revealing those drives to others only when they choose.[13]
  • Are able to enjoy a great variety of activities.[13]
  • Are sensitive to feelings and needs of others; respect generally accepted social rules, and claim no right or desire to prosper at others' expense.[13]
  • Can work toward finding solutions and voice discontent without belittling themselves or others when challenges arise.[47]
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  The most absurd reason have you heard someone disfellowshipped for ?

  by Chook in

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  2. experiences

  someone said on forum they knew someone df for not going to assigned meeting in old days .

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  Two girls in the congregation i grew up in were DFd for going to a nightclub... twice. They got them on "brazen conduct" - a free for all meaning "you ignored our advice". They then classed them as unrepentant because they went twice.

  Both have not returned and this was 20 years ago.
  
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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  I knew of two local apostates before I left (but I had never met them), one was called "a liar", the other "self-centred". But still I wondered if I were ever to leave, would the local JWs come up with a fair and loving "label" about me? Surely such loving people would! I was wrong. I soon heard from still-in friends that I had been labelled "mental".

  If it's any consolation, my labels are "womanizer", "headstrong" and "proud"... but to be fair i am all of those things. And loving every minute of it.
  
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  Why the vitriolic hate?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am sure we have all thought of this before, but it struck me again today:.

  why does the society promote such vitriolic hate toward, and about those who have left "the truth" ?.

  surely it is obvious that such critical attitudes towards ones like us who have left, only serves to proove that they do not have "the truth"?.

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  It's funny... according to Scientology, their views on ex-members are eerily similar to Watchtowers:

  The Suppressive Person seeks to upset, continuously undermine, spread bad news about and denigrate betterment activities and groups. Thus the Anti-Social Personality is also against what Scientology is about—helping people become more able and improving conditions in society. As anyone can think of many examples of a Suppressive Person, this concept is not limited to Scientology. However, when such a person is connected to Scientology, for the good of the Church and the individuals in it, such a person is officially labeled a Suppressive Person so that others will know not to associate with them.

  To be declared a Suppressive Person is extremely rare and results in expulsion from the Scientology religion. This occurs in instances of serious offenses against the Scientology faith and can also occur when an individual is found to be actively working to suppress the well-being of others. This can be done through criminal acts already recognized by society as unlawful or through the commitment of acts deemed Suppressive Acts in the Scientology Justice Codes—which includes the Suppressive Act of publicly renouncing the faith, an act which in Scientology, as well as almost every religion, is grounds for automatic expulsion.

  When someone has been expelled from the religion, that person loses both his or her fellowship with the Church as well as with other Scientologists. The condition lasts until they have been restored to good standing. Once the person has been restored to good standing, the prohibition against fellowship with other Scientologists is lifted. Similar practices have been part of religious communities for thousands of years and have been recognized by courts of law as a fundamental right.

  http://www.scientology.org.uk/faq/scientology-attitudes-and-practices/what-is-a-suppressive-person.html
  
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  ex-jw-uk

  by bigmac in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i'm quite new to this site, & have realised some members have a union jack symbol under their avatar.

  i don't.. could we have a "show of hands" from any uk members?

  i've already found several by reading older posts..

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  Aaawww....no one from the North west then?

  Im from Liverpool.