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  The great tribulation is now coming VERY soon!

  by The Searcher in

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  2. bible

  watchtower october 2017, par 11, page 28 - "very soon the political powers of satan’s world will form a coalition that is bent on the destruction of god’s people.

  's] have anything to fear?

  not at all!........at that critical moment during the great tribulation, the angelic soldiers of jehovah of armies will come together to protect god’s people..."[j.w.

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  pale.emperor

  Im sure i've read this very line many times over the years.
  
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  Apostacy - The Movie Review

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  cannot wait to see this.

  is it going to be in regular cinemas?

  i love the fact that the guardian newspaper, the same paper that exposed their un involvement, are the ones reviewing this.. p.s.

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  Why?

  I understand the external shots are a real KH, as the Guardian reviews says - they location scouted a KH that had recently been sold, and therefore dealt with the new owners for using it for filming - that's kinda what movie location scouts do
  

  Thanks darkspilver. I'll consider myself told.
  
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  Apostacy - The Movie Review

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  cannot wait to see this.

  is it going to be in regular cinemas?

  i love the fact that the guardian newspaper, the same paper that exposed their un involvement, are the ones reviewing this.. p.s.

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  Cannot wait to see this. Is it going to be in regular cinemas? I love the fact that The Guardian newspaper, the same paper that exposed their UN involvement, are the ones reviewing this.

  P.S. There's no way they used real KH to film this.
  

  https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/09/apostasy-review-daniel-kokotajlo-jehovahs-witnesses

  Here is an utterly absorbing and accomplished debut feature from writer-director Daniel Kokotajlo, known before this for his well-regarded short films Myra and The Mess Hall of an Online Warrior. Apostasy combines subtlety and sensitivity with real emotional power. It also packs a sledgehammer narrative punch two-thirds in, after which life in the film carries on with eerie quietness as usual, while we, the audience, have no choice but to go into a state of shock. It shows that Kokotajlo can really do something so many new British film-makers can’t or won’t: tell a story.

  
  

  The film is set among a community of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Oldham in north-west England. Kokotajlo grew up in a Jehovah’s Witness family before leaving the faith while at college, and his writing – detached but calmly observant and sympathetic – is evidently based on a real knowledge of this culture, invisible to outsiders. He has apparently used the JW meeting hall in Oldham for the film: the building’s exterior, at any rate. I have to say that Apostasy exposes the slightly preposterous drama of Richard Eyre’s new film The Children Act, with a similar plotline about Jehovah’s Witnesses, based on the Ian McEwan novel. Apostasy is more knowledgeable, less excitable.

  Siobhan Finneran plays Ivanna, a middle-aged woman firmly in the Jehovah’s Witness faith: a world in which failure to believe, or to avoid unbelievers, can get you shunned or “disfellowshipped”. She has two teenage daughters: the older Luisa (Sacha Parkinson) is at college and the younger Alex (Molly Wright) is still in school. Both live at home, of course. As to the girls’ father, Kokotajlo leaves that as the great unmentioned subject: whether alive or dead, his past behaviour and current absence is a potent, silent countercurrent to the drama.

  Ivanna is concerned about the bad influences Luisa will encounter at college: people of no faith or, even worse, the wrong faith. (She dismisses Catholicism as “wishy-washy”.) Her fears are well founded. Luisa has an unbelieving boyfriend by whom she has got pregnant and her excommunication (to borrow the wishy-washy term) is inevitable. Meanwhile, delicate, shy, clever Alex is very flattered when a young man, an up-and-coming elder in the JW faith, introduces himself to her and her mother at the weekly meeting and asks them both to supper: this is Steven, played by Robert Emms. Alex sees perfectly well how the match is being made by her mother, in concert with the church, so that she will not go down the same route as her sister, and, concerned as she is for Luisa, this responsibility cements her already deeply committed attachment to the orthodoxy. Family tensions become unbearable.

  The performances of Finneran, Wright and Parkinson are tremendous and all the more moving for their restraint. Kokotajlo’s direction is lucid and direct. With cinematographer Adam Scarth (who also shot the recent Daphne), he conjures an undramatic world of cloudy days and dull workplaces, kitchens, front rooms. The women’s faces are captured mostly in intimate closeup. Parkinson’s simmering anger as Luisa is almost unwatchably painful, because her rebellion is always tempered by a need not to upset her mother; Wright’s gentleness and tenderness in the role of Alex is heartbreaking.

  Finneran’s Ivanna is the most mysterious of all. She is a world away from, say, Geraldine McEwan’s religious matriarch in the BBC TV adaptation of Jeanette Winterson’s Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit in 1989. There is no righteous hysteria, no rage, just an utterly serene contentment with the worldview she has grown up with, and the inevitability of the “new system” that will come into being after this current world has come to an end. But Ivanna’s faith is severely tested, and there is a brilliant scene in which Kokotajlo comes in for another key closeup on Ivanna undergoing a silent dark moment of the soul in the midst of a prayer meeting. With the tiniest flinches and winces, Finneran conveys Ivanna’s suppressed turmoil, before she stumbles out to the lavatory to find the elder’s voice has been piped in there too, via the PA system. The word of God is omnipresent. Apostasy is a supremely intelligent and gripping drama.
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  Damon Wayans was apparently at 2017 Annual Meeting

  by Richard_I in

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  2. friends

  from this post on reddit.com/r/exjw, damon wayans was at the 2017 annual meeting.

  the wayans were raised as jw's but i don't think any of them stated.. strange to see him here.

  this is the same man who defended bill cosby from all the sex abuse allegations..

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  It's usually the case with born ins, or those raised as a kid in "the truth™", when it comes to doing something religious they blindly pick the Watchtower because that's what they knew as a kid as religion. The same thing happened when Michael Jackson died. Paris Jackson was going into a KH carrying the old brown covered songbook. Since when did Michael and/or his kids attend a KH?

  It's no different from the "catholic" friends i have. They know very little about the religion but they're "catholic" because they were born into it as a kid. Only ever go to church for weddings and funerals.
  

  
  
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  2017 Annual Meeting

  by Jules Saturn in

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  2. current

  this just in from the 2017 annual meeting:.

  1. watchtowers and awakes won't be released regularly, at least three watchtower and awakes per year.

  6 magazines a year.. 2. a new book is being released: remain in god's love, more of an update like how they did for the what does the bible really teach book.

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  Trivial stuff about the AGM

  by sir82 in

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  lots of good comments already about the content of saturday's agm broadcast.. i just thought i'd add my (trivial!

  ) comments about the magnificent 7:.

  -- loesch - was he intentionally trying to be boring?

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  Where can one watch the AGM online? Is it on JW board-casting or a YouTube channel?
  
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  Can Today's JW Logically Explain Their Beliefs?

  by minimus in

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  2. friends

  when i was a jw, i relished explaining my beliefs and why we had the truth!

  lol.

  todays witness has no clue , in my opinion..

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  When i was a JW my reply was:

  We follow the bible. If you read the bible and dont add to it you'd come out with our religion. Christmas isn't in there so we dont do it. There's no pope, there's no trinity, there's no hell. And we preach because that's what Jesus did when he was on earth. We immitate Christ.
  

  Oh how blind i was. 1914 isn't in there, shun isn't in there, disfellowship isnt in there, judicial committee isn't in there, organization isn't in there, Governing Body isn't in there.
  
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  JW-Wayback.org - Massive Watchtower Archives Free To Download

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  http://jw-wayback.org/en/static1/library.

  the owner has done an excellent job of scanning, downloading and making available pretty much everything watchtower ever did.. one to bookmark i think!.

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  I plan to save everything to a hard drive. It that site goes down we'll have a lost a great resource.
  
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  In memory of a lost doctrine - the vindication of Jehovah's name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.

  he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).

  he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.

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  Mothers Day is celebrated in America in the month of May.
  

  Also, WWI started in July 1914.

  Seeing that Satan was, allegedly, booted out of his heavenly abode in October 1914 this just doesn't add up. You dont have to be Stephen Lett to be able to do the math.
  

  Back to the drawing board Mr Rutherford.

  
  
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  Do They Still do Door-to-Door as Much as Before?

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  since the advent of the trolleys do the majority of jws still go door to door like we used to?.

  do they still have meetings for field service on sat mornings and sun afternoons where most head off to the local territory while one or two go to do trolley work or has the importance of door to door work reduced?.

  with the reduction of printing wts and awakes what will they offer at the doors?.

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  I've lived in my new house for 11 months now. No JW knows my address (apart from my ex-wife), and im in another congregations territory anyway. I've not had a JW call here. Nor did i get an invitation for the memorial or convention through my letterbox. It's a good thing they dont have a lifesaving message or they'd have blood on their hands at armageddon.

  Pathetic. Always on a timetable. Always focusing on the hours and all personal interest is lost.

  My ex-mother in law has this down to an art form. She gets out there at 7am, hands a crumpled leaflet to Mr Rashid at the corner shop who promptly bins them because he's just being polite. Then goes back home, handing another leaflet to any passer by, has her breakfast, goes to the group study, out on the ministry again at 10am and, apparently, that means she's been on the ministry for 3 hours already before she's even knocked on a door.

  Pathetic indeed. Imagine owning a business and your staff doing that.