Posts by pale.emperor

9

So obsessed

by incognito2014 in

i find it almost too difficult to bear.

my mother now in her 80's does not miss up on an opportunity to preach.

in fact most of the time the opportunity does not exist but she mentions something anyway.. she is so blind it's embarrassing.

My mum is 60... not that old really, but she is exactly the type of person who'd swallow a pill if the GB dished them out and told her they're from God. To be fair, she grew up in foster homes and found "the truth" when she was 15 and it basically became her family. She'll never leave.

She also see's nothing wrong with preaching to grieving families in hospitals about the resurrection and "they're sure to get one because they died before Armageddon". She's perfectly at ease standing at a JW cart right next to a homeless person asking for spare change or food and has JW Broadcasting on literally every waking moment.

I think these people are better off in the cult. The real world would eat them alive and she seems genuinely content. It's just a shame that one son is dead to her (me) and she has no pension or savings to rely on when she retires this year.

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A Little Direction Please

by Brian J in

i'm an active elder, cobe, just got home from the meeting where i handled the treasures part and concluded by announcing a friend of mine has been d/f,.....blah blah blah...and over the last year have woken up.

i simply cannot spill my guts to my wife and children as it would be family suicide.

i have zero desire to bash, spread my feelings, or become an "apostate".

pale.emperor

I would drop little comments while we were doing the dishes or something. Like:

"Have you noticed, it's impossible to leave this religion with your reputation in tact?"

"If it came down to it, i dont think unbaptized children should have to refuse blood. They're not witnesses."

It doesn't have to lead to a full blown discussion. It's something that your wife will no doubt think about throughout the day.

I'd also encourage her to make friends with non JW neighbors... slowly, slowly.

My wife and i are now separated but that's another story. She's secretly awake now but cant leave due to her living with her elder dad and family.

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How many watchtowers do the witnesses receive each year?

by Truth and Justice in

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my question is how many watchtower and awake magazines do the witnesses receive thru the year?

my mother and i stop going about 30 years ago, my sister does attend still, and she says that they will receive 3 watchtowers and 3 awakes a year.

is that true?

pale.emperor

My parents had a huge stack of them piled up in the laundry room.
Everyone had a stack of magazines. The Watchtower promoted the fact that the printed millions of magazines every week - they attempted to create the image that the magazines were the most widely read magazines in the world. However, most of these magazines went no further than the proverbial stacks found in each publisher's home. This is a classic description of a fraud scheme called "channel stuffing."

I remember this. As a kid my parents had, literally, cupboards full of Watchtower and Awake magazines going back like 15 years. They'd be an apostates wet dream to get hold of nowadays.

I myself when i left home had shelves in the shed full of magazines. Somehow it seem disrespectful or sacrilegious to throw them away.

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Chapter 13 New Boy 50 years a Watchtower slave

by new boy in

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chapter 13. they get my heart, soul and my body.

saturday morning i was up at 6:30. it was fun trying to share small bathroom with seven other guys, all trying to get ready in 20 minutes.

i threw some cloths on and headed to first “morning worship.” gilbert said i could sit on his table since there was an extra space there.

pale.emperor

Dwelling Together In Unity

Here it is folks: http://www.a2z.org/wtarchive/docs/1952_Dwelling_Together_In_Unity.pdf

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Facing My Mortality And Becoming A Donor

by pale.emperor in

this thread is quite morbid so i apologize in advance.. a few days ago i was having a conversation with my girlfriend in which she mentioned in passing that she's signed up to donate her organs after her death.

i was quite surprised because she mentioned it like it was no big deal.

i asked her which organs.

pale.emperor

This thread is quite morbid so i apologize in advance.

A few days ago i was having a conversation with my girlfriend in which she mentioned in passing that she's signed up to donate her organs after her death. I was quite surprised because she mentioned it like it was no big deal. I asked her which organs. She said "everything". Heart, lungs, kidneys, liver, corneas, marrow, skin.

Then it hit me... i thought i'd faced my own mortality and wasn't bothered by it. But then i really started to think about it. One day i wont be here. My body will still be there, but it wont be me. Life will go on, people will still wake up and go to work, go the pub, marry, haves kids etc but i wont be around.

Then i started to think "should i donate my organs too?". I'd have no need for them. It wouldn't make sense to cremate my entire body if organs can be used to improve or save lives. I read online that a single person is capable of improving the lives of 50 people. 50! So i decided i'd do it. I've signed up.

The more i think about it, for me personally, there's no reason not to. My parents often joked that i was "an accident" - so if you think about it i wasn't supposed to be born in the first place. If any good can come of my eventual death i'd like to to be saving the life of another person.

Granted, It's not nice thinking about it. But i'm glad the subject came up and forced me to think of it.

22

Unwritten Theory

by moreconfusedthanever in

have any of you heard some theories from jws that are not based on scripture?

i have, in the past few days, heard a couple that have me shaking my head.. first one is that since satan was around during the creation period and probably watched on as things were being made, it is possible that he is responsible for the creation of some of the more hideous and nasty creatures that live among us.

surely god wouldn't make horrible things.. second one is that satan already had a bad attitude before the creation of adam and eve and was collecting followers among the other angels early on and stirring trouble.

pale.emperor

How about the theory that Satan and his demons listen in to your conversations and remember things that you're afraid of or doubting about.

Or the one that demons like to live in 2nd hand vases and your dads old shirt?

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Some more background information on Geoffrey Jackson

by Listener in

born in 1955 jacko was baptized at 13 years of age in 1968.his life story, printed in the august 2015 watchtower doesn't state the year in which he married, it's fairly general when talking about it.

hmmm, i wonder why?i've come across a recording of an interview with jacko at a hall dedication in another part of the us in 2009 which provides some further information.he married his first wife, jenny, in 1974 at the grand old age of 19. no wonder they didn't want to print it in the watchtower.unfortunately his first wife, jenny, was diagnosed with cancer in 1999.in 2003 jacko was sent a letter from the gb stating he was being transferred to hq and his wife would be given appropriate work.

he initially didn't know why they were being called to hq as he felt they were being very productive in their fijian paradise, he states that they brought 75 people into the truth.

pale.emperor

Loraini has got her feet under the table there. Well done Mrs Jackson for marrying up. She can be assured a first class ticket to the new system.

Which poses another question... if your husband goes to heaven, can you remarry in the new world?

I wonder if Jeffrey Jackson was just a normal MS in the KH, would she have looked at him twice? Who knows.

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Outside JW World They Barely Exist

by Farmer Jim1 in

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is anyone else staggered by the fact that outside of the organization most of the general public seem to know very little or nothing about jw’s?

when i was in i was led to believe that 99% of the worlds population had been giving sufficient warning, knew what it was all about and were stubbornly sticking to their immoral ways.

the reality seems to be that the entire jw universe is barely noticeable to the masses.

pale.emperor

I get people here in the UK asking me who/what Jehovah is. Nobody I've ever spoken to when i was in and after leaving knew anything about them. The no birthdays was the one most would know. Many didn't even know we didn't celebrate Christmas.

When i first left it made me see what a massive waste of time field service was (and still is).

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JWs don’t break up families

by Jules Saturn in

i get very angry when i hear this claim being made by jws and get even angrier when i read the article they have on their faq section on jw.org which i’ll leave a link here:.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/families/.

i know that the majority of this article is written about having a spouse that isn’t a believer and how the bible encourages them to stay together but that’s one of the things that can cause division in a family, for an example if a son or daughter marry a nonbeliever or a worldly person the parents aren’t going to attend the wedding.. once i was told by an elder that if i continued with my behavior of wanting to seek worldly friends and worldly companionship that i would have to leave my home because the holy spirit would leave my house and that would have a huge impact on my family.

pale.emperor

Text message i got from my sister a while ago was:

We as a family are suffering because of you leaving Jehovah. I just hope you see that the world has nothing to offer you and when you return it'll be one of the happiest moments of my life.

Notice how it's my fault that the family is suffering. It wouldn't be the Watchtowers fault no-no-no.

In reality, the only thing stopping her carrying on having a normal brother/sister relationship with me is her or her beliefs.

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can you still record the talks at assemblies?

by greenhornet in

years ago my parents would record these talks and play them back all the time.

when they both died, we cleaned out the house and found 50 plus cassette tapes of recorded talks and they were labeled the year and the speaker at the time.

that was in the year 2000. we just gave them to there jw friends because i did not want to keep them for recording of music.

pale.emperor

I remember they used to announce for the convention platform that any recordings should not be shares. So even if they've tried to stop it i think they know people still do it.

When i was in, i was constantly harassed by elders and their cronies to transfer cassette tapes to mp3 and/or put them on a CD for them (i was the tech savvy one in the KH) but they'd also warn ME not to share them around (hypocrisy?). As a result i ended up with quite a collection of talks on my computer from UK and USA. It's interesting that the elders would ignore the convention announcement about not sharing them.

I remember listening to a few talks from Bro. Mack (an American) he was a very good speaker.