Posts by pale.emperor

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The Perfect Storm in 2018?

by Wild_Thing in

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i have been sadly watching as the number of jws in other countries are decreasing (for the most part), while the numbers in the us are strangely increasing.

while i question the organization's self reporting numbers, i think 2018 may be the year for another mass us exodus.

leah remini's show will be focusing on jws in her show on a&e.

I don’t think many JWs will watch the show, the GB don’t even have to command them not to watch it, most would be too terrified of ***apostasy?!!!*** on their TV screen. I know I was when I was a JW. Coming on here for the first time when I was a doubter I was terrified and my heart pounding as I was reading. Even then I didn’t stay longer than a minute before praying to Jehovah for forgiveness etc. But two years later I woke up and came back again.

If they do watch it’ll be a massive seed like another poster has said. Some may watch simply so they can refute the arguments. So im hoping there’s not going to be an exaggeration or deliberate misquotes to give the JWs something to point at and claim it’s a lie.

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Would you sacrifice yourself?

by Half banana in

under roman rule, which covered a large part of the civilized world around the mediterranean, to be a trouble maker or a magician or an insurrectionist was a capital offence.. to live back then in a civilised society was a boon.

naturally for the sake of law and order certain compliances had to be met to as part of the social bargain to be a roman citizen.

among them were included the requirement to respect the “genius” or spirit of the emperor, not to be an atheist and to respect the roman gods.

pale.emperor

If i lived in ancient Rome and faced torture, death in the arena etc for being an atheist then guess what? I'd show you the most devout worshipper of the Mars, Jupiter and, of course, our wonderful emperor with a painted smile.

Inside i'd know the truth so who cares? Im alive.

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Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

pale.emperor

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCMuO_RzQv8

Check out Tightpants Tony at 1:46:25 "the end is imminent!"... apparently he knows better than Jesus who said:

But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Matthew 24:36 [NIV Translation]*

Tonys closing rant begins at 1:45:10. Armageddon is so close... yet they've already planned a 2018 convention for the summer? Sounds like even he doesn't really believe it.

*I will never quote from the New World Bastardization

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aspects of shunning

by stan livedeath in

many members on here have been shunned.

we know whats its like--and the effect it has had on our lives.

but what about those of us who practiced shunning before--when we were members of the watchtower cult ?.

pale.emperor

I felt bad ignoring people that were obviously right in front of me. It didn't feel right. I remember If I saw a DFd person in the street or in a shop my heart would be pounding. That's how much a cult get get into your head, control your emotional reactions.

The ones who were DFd I used to say never looked happy, but now I know that because no one walks around with a smile on their face 24/7. I was sure that they'd be DFd fairly because the elders were so loving and insightful right? (barf)

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Wave your phone lights and dance at the Assemblies!

by days of future passed in

my sister sent me this youtube.

in it are witnesses waving their phone lights and dancing in the aisles.

sorry if this vid has been posted before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7iw-zisgw.

pale.emperor

The previous generation are like:

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Witness Goes Out - Great video

by pale.emperor in

saw this video and enjoyed it.

some terrible acting and some of the portrayals are exaggerated in my opinion but their bible vs watchtower reasonings are spot on.. i think it's produced by jeremiah films (who, i think, have a hibit of exaggerating the facts) but us ex members can tell.. https://youtu.be/xyynvk8nwb8.

pale.emperor

Saw this video and enjoyed it. Some terrible acting and some of the portrayals are exaggerated in my opinion but their bible vs Watchtower reasonings are spot on.

I think it's produced by Jeremiah films (who, I think, have a hibit of exaggerating the facts) but us ex members can tell.

https://youtu.be/xyYnvk8NWB8

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Encounter with a long time elder. (Jehovah's happy people)

by freddo in

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so i'm at work and go to my vehicle parked outside the empty property i'm working at and an elderly man comes out of next door and we recognise each other from when we were elders in the same circuit.

he is early 80's in age, a jw since the 1960's and so the next generation in age up from me.. he's an outwardly jolly sort and asks how i am etc.

(knows i'm not an elder but thinks i'm pimi) and asks if i want a cup of tea so i go in and sit in his kitchen for my lunchbreak and have a chat.. i have a little fish around and ask about how jw's in his hall are.

pale.emperor

It would be funny if it wasnt so sad. Glad those people have woken up and left though.

Also, a lot of JWs i remember seemed to have M.E. It's an illness that only seems to affect JWs isnt it?

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If your cat catches a mouse, . . .

by compound complex in

take it away, bleed it, give it back.. reading about the gingerbread man reminded me of this:.

how irrational the society could be was experienced by the sister-in-law of ex-bethelite william (bill) cetnar when .... at the suggestion of her veterinarian, she had a blood transfusion given to her poodle to prolong its life.

she couldn't believe bill [cetnar]when he told her that the society would say she had violated god's law.

pale.emperor

Yh, i guess that means that cat wont get a resurrection... ???

Jesus died for the sins of cats and racoons too?

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Pacifism is Morally Indefensible

by cofty in

i have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.

in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.

of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.

pale.emperor

Couldnt agree more cofty.

When i first left i still believed in not getting involved in wars. It was an ex army officer from America that changed my mind with a few sentences. I can still remember what he said to me as it had a massive effect on me:

Your mother probably told you that violence doesn't solve anything. But violence stopped Nazism. Have you ever met a Nazi? Im not talking some skin-head, tattooed punk, but an actual member of the Einzatsgruppen who went out and killed old people, the disabled, children, babies, sawn the heads off Jewish men in the street? I have.
Violence is a tool, a weapon. And like any tool it's to be used at the proper time to the proper degree. Some people cant be trusted with tools. And if left unchecked who knows what they'll do? Nobody wants war. But when somebody brings a war to you, you can either lie down and die or fight to protect yourself and your loved ones. I know which i'd choose.

And that was that.

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if pre 1975 you said "The system will still be here late 2017" what would be the J.W's reaction?

by karter in

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one word for it.....apostate!

!.

pale.emperor

It's the equivalent of saying this system will still be here in 2059. Most JWs would scoff at this idea.

I'll be 75 years old. If i'm still alive i'll be looking for some JWs in their carts asking why the big A hasn't come.