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  My stand up comedy two years later

  by usualusername1 in

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  two years ago i started stand up comedy.

  here is a recent video.

  thx.

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  pale.emperor

  I thought so. I'm in Liverpool. The resident comedian there, Paul Smith, isnt very funny at all. You're miles better.
  
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  My stand up comedy two years later

  by usualusername1 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  two years ago i started stand up comedy.

  here is a recent video.

  thx.

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  pale.emperor

  Very, very, very good. I laughed out loud a few times there. Well done mate.

  Where was this?
  
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  Yep, and now you’ve just basically lost the discussing comparing volunteering with modern day slavery.

  When people have no argument, they resort to hyperbolic cliches.

  Doubter, volunteers still have freedom of association and freedom of speech. You (should) know that you don't get that with Watchtower.

  If it's a two way street, can you tell me what one would gain by volunteering as a Bethelite?
  
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  pale.emperor

  Basically what I am saying is that putting stuff in writing projects them from frivolous lawsuits. It also prevents WT from reneging on their obligations if the applicant is not in breach.

  This is just basic stuff.

  I dont see anything in that contract that is of any benefit to the person signing it. You say volunteering is a two way street, I disagree (especially when it comes to this particular contract). Sure, they don't buy their own groceries etc but then neither do prisoners of your local penitentiary. Do they get to choose when/what to eat? Do they get to go home when they want? Do they get to mix with who they want? It's like the negro slave on the plantation say "we got it good here, we don't have to buy no groceries".
  
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  pale.emperor

  Experience has taught them that putting stuff in writing protects against people who lie and make stuff up.

  What sort of lies?
  
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  pale.emperor

  Who is Howie Tran???

  Howie Tran (now Rutledge Tran) was a personal helper to one of the governing body members. A great interview here:

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pw36Kwbqh3I
  
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  pale.emperor

  People will not agree with my above post, but jws have been around for 140 years.

  No they haven't. JF Rutherford started the Jehovah's Witnesses in 1931. The Bible Students founded by CT Russell still exist today and regard Rutherford as the apostate he most certainly is/was.

  http://www.internationalbiblestudents.com/

  http://www.friendsofjehovahswitnesses.com/category/jehovahs-witnesses-answers/j-f-rutherford/
  
  
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  Bethelites Vow Of Poverty

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  former governing body assistant howie tran has shared his bethel vow of poverty contract.

  it reads rather culty.

  i think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the bible alone, but also the watchtower literature and the governing body.

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  pale.emperor

  Former governing body assistant Howie Tran has shared his Bethel vow of poverty contract. It reads rather culty. I think clause number 9 is particularly worrying...to adhere to, not the BIBLE ALONE, but ALSO the Watchtower literature AND the governing body. But what if the GB contradict the bible? Then clause 10 will sort you out.
  

  
  
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  My New Found Patriotism

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i'm not entirely sure where this has come from, but these past few months i've found myself gradually becoming more and more involved politically and identifying myself differently.

  we all remember what it was like as jws, no political involvement whatsoever, no national pride, no singing the national anthem or saluting the flag etc.

  the watchtower literature always shown artists renditions of nationalism or politics like this:.

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  pale.emperor

  Alex, I have a Welsh last name. Wales is only a 45min drive from me and, laughably, I do like to cling to the Welsh side when ruby is on or I see a nice castle in Conwy.
  
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  Are All Baptized Witnesses Still Considered Ministers?

  by minimus in

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  or is that old light??.

  many young men avoided the draft due to their being “ministers”.

  if everyone who is a jw is a minister, women and kids should share ministerial status and even be able to legally officiate and marry someone....as long as they are baptized..

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  pale.emperor

  They tell the rank and file this to make them feel special. But in reality only the elders are regarded by the Watchtower society and legal authorities as "real" ministers.

  When I worked in immigration, we were always exasperated when we'd get visa or passport applications which had been countersigned by a run-of-the-mill JW rather than an elder. Because when a passport or visa application is verified by a "minister of religion" we had to ring them up and check out their credentials with the head of their church such as The Catholic Church in England and Wales,or LDS Administrative Office etc etc. whatever the religion was.
  

  Almost always we'd get someone claiming to be a minister of Jehovah's Witnesses and we'd have to tell them that they're not officially recognized as one even by their own church.

  They were never pleased and would be adamant that we were wrong and we surely haven't been speaking to the right people because "the society wouldn't say that".