Posts by pale.emperor

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How many Witnesses would drink the cool aid at a "Jonestown?"

by Witness 007 in

so my mum died from mild form of lukemia which can simply be treated with a blood transfusion each month.

to me this was a watchtower assisted suicide.

the liaison elder encouraged her to "stay strong" and said a prayer.

pale.emperor

I know my mum would. In fact, she'd take two just to pove how holier than the rest of them she is.

My sisters would too.

I'd reckon at least a third of the rank and file.

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Getting Remarried after a spouses death & then they are resurrected after Armageddon ?

by LOLS in

hi guys .

i was wondering about the above , if a jw is allowed to remarry if a spouse has died, then what happens when they are resurrected at armageddon, do u land up with two wives/husbands ,,,,,,, makes no sense to me & can the jw's be so dumb not to think about this or have i got it wrong ?

and i will not be asking my uber jw husband , don't have the energy.. thanks.

pale.emperor

We need someone to start a similar thread in JWTalk. This'd be priceless. They really do discuss shit like this over there.

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Did you enjoy your visit to Bethel?

by Addison0998 in

i recently had to take a trip with my family to bethel.

it was a bit torturous for a secret apostate as you can imagine.

but mostly just so boring.

pale.emperor

I went to the one in New York back in 2004 and the London one in 2009. At the time I genuinely enjoyed the New York one simply because I believed it was the dwelling place of "the governing body" - the holy of holies. Saw lots of printing machines and people being overworked with painted smiles. There was a little museum just to the right of the reception with CT Russell era stuff.

The one in London wasn't interesting at all. I remember they made us watch a video before the tour started. Cant remember what it was about but something along the lines of it's a privilege to be here. But I got what I could out of it. At one of the printing presses there were orange magazines being churned out and the guide told us not to look at what they're printing because it's a new mag for the convention (it turned out to be the "Origin of Life" brochure).

At the end of the London tour they took us to a room with thousands of books/literature in any language you could think of. People were taking random books as a souvenir.

Looking back, the people working there must have been overworked and stressed. The guy who's job it was to chop the convention badges into rectangles day in, day out looked like he'd died inside.

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In the bunker

by Lost in the fog in

imagine that you are in the middle of the (jws version) great tribulation.

food and basic supplies are scarce, the secret and not-so-secret police are actively searching for you and your family.

you have to make it to bro faithful's secret bunker to hunker down with the rest of the congregation.

pale.emperor

Tell ya what, if I were in that bunker, that Latina sister and I would soon find ourselves disfellowshipped.

I mean... damn...

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Getting Remarried after a spouses death & then they are resurrected after Armageddon ?

by LOLS in

hi guys .

i was wondering about the above , if a jw is allowed to remarry if a spouse has died, then what happens when they are resurrected at armageddon, do u land up with two wives/husbands ,,,,,,, makes no sense to me & can the jw's be so dumb not to think about this or have i got it wrong ?

and i will not be asking my uber jw husband , don't have the energy.. thanks.

pale.emperor

My mum only remarried (18 months after my father died... 2 weeks after meeting the guy) because she thought she wouldnt be married to my dad in the "new world".

Since the teaching changed to "we dont know" she's felt very silly. She used to randomly explain herself to me and by siblings even though we never asked.

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February 2018 Watchtower - Addressing abuse Victims

by Listener in

there's a preview note on one of the articles in this newly released watchtower.

the note can be found on an article titled "part 1 of 4 love and justice in ancient israel".the note states -.

this article is the first in a series of four that will discuss why we can be sure that jehovah cares about us.

pale.emperor

What a lame attempt to pacify the drones.

Jehovah showed tender personal interest in the most vulnerable in the community. And he held those who mistreated them to account.—Read Exodus 22:22-24.
23 The Law also protected family members from sex crimes by forbidding all forms of incest. (Lev. 18:6-30) Unlike the people of the nations surrounding Israel, who tolerated or even condoned this practice, Jehovah’s people were to view this type of crime as Jehovah did—as a detestable act.
24 Lessons: Jehovah wants those he places in positions of responsibility to take a loving interest in all whom they oversee. He hates sex crimes and wants to ensure that all, especially the most vulnerable, receive protection and justice.

Incest was detestable act, yet taking virgin girls as "spoils of war" and forcing a rape victim to marry her rapist was o-ok.

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A Cult Tactic: Removing Guilt By Dehumanising Others

by pale.emperor in

in the real world, very few parents would disown their own children simply because they read a magazine that told them to do it.

very few people would forever completely ignore their own parents because an elder got up on a platform one day and announced that they no longer follow the same religion as you.. in the real world it just doesn't happen.

and yet, for 8 million jehovah's witnesses it's very a normal part of their world to treat "other people" differently than they'd treat each other.

pale.emperor

The post is about dehumanizing.

The Nazi ideology was able to convince people to do things they wouldnt normally do by dehumanizing another group.

The Japanese were able to do what they did without feeling repulsed by dehumanizing.

Cults are able to get their followers to do what they do by dehumanizing.

Nowhere did the post say Nazi and Japanese concentration camps are on par with shunning. Im simply explaining a method of psychological manipulation.

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A Cult Tactic: Removing Guilt By Dehumanising Others

by pale.emperor in

in the real world, very few parents would disown their own children simply because they read a magazine that told them to do it.

very few people would forever completely ignore their own parents because an elder got up on a platform one day and announced that they no longer follow the same religion as you.. in the real world it just doesn't happen.

and yet, for 8 million jehovah's witnesses it's very a normal part of their world to treat "other people" differently than they'd treat each other.

pale.emperor

In the real world, very few parents would disown their own children simply because they read a magazine that told them to do it. Very few people would forever completely ignore their own parents because an elder got up on a platform one day and announced that they no longer follow the same religion as you.

In the real world it just doesn't happen. And yet, for 8 million Jehovah's Witnesses it's very a normal part of their world to treat "other people" differently than they'd treat each other. Even though their religion is supposed to be one that closely imitates that of Jesus Christ who never practiced shunning or treating others differently in any form whatsoever.

How can they do it? It's something I've wondered for a while. And the answer, I believe, lies in dehumanizing.

One evening I was watching an operation on television. A man was having his sternum cracked open, held with a clamp and the surgeons were cutting away growths from his heart and other parts of his body. Not being one for blood and gore, I was wincing and looking away. Then I realized that if I told myself that it wasn't a person being operated on, but instead a dog or a horse, that I could watch the operation without being upset at all.

And it worked.

During WWII, Jews were stripped of their citizenship in the third Reich and forced to live in ghetto's. They were stripped of their rights, forbidden to own businesses and the public were even encouraged to vandalize their property. The general public didn't seem to care. Eventually they were sent to Nazi concentration camps where horrors would be inflicted upon children as well as adults. Jews, in the third Reich, were not considered to be fully human. They were sub-human. And, despite being born within the Reich, were considered to be illegally residing there. The general public didn't care where they went. They were simply gone. And, as far as they were concerned, "good riddance, they wernt real Germans anyway".

During WWII, the Japanese had a lethal human experimentation camp known as Unit 731 (Nana-san-ichi Butai) the prisoners were referred to as "logs". Not human beings, not by their names - but "logs". Women were raped and experimented on by being inseminated with animal semen. Both men and women were operated on without anesthetic, frozen, put in compression chambers, infected with diseased and worse horrors than you can imagine.

Pick any cult and examine how it portrays non-members and ex-members. Do they have names? Do they use any other terminology to describe them other than a negative one?

Non-Jehovah's Witnesses are described as:

People of the world
Worldly
Sinful
Bad association

Ex-members have it worse:

Mentally diseased
Rebellious
God's enemies
Partaking of the table of demons

Is it any wonder then, that the indoctrinated Jehovah's Witness has a knee-jerk reaction to treat ex-members with hate, fear and loathing?

This is because non-Jehovah's Witnesses are dehumanized. We become "things" that are going to be destroyed. We dont have "the truth" and therefore they shouldn't get too close to us or become our friends. Heaven forbid that the Jehovah's Witness see's us as loving, caring, empathetic beings that care for them and who have the same ups and downs in life as they do.

Remember we were told that the first thing we needed to do to become close to god was to know his name and use it? The same thing needs to happen to short circuit the dehumanizing mentality. Give them your name. Make them use your name. Share aspects of your life with them, good and bad, to let them see that you're just like them. This is why when Jehovah's Witnesses build friendships with non-members they end up slipping away from the religion - they see these people as just like them. It's very powerful and the Watchtower society knows this, that's why they're warned not to have friends "in the world".

Sources:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit_731

https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/quotes/apostates.php

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Business class for Governing Body

by Sergey Antonov in

jw
friends

hello everyone!

does anyone have any confirmation that the governing body uses the business class for its flights?.

also interesting is the information about the hours that were on the hand of one of the members of the governing body..

https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/201201/bible-written-anointed