Posts by pale.emperor

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Criticism of Jehovah's Witnesses Wikipedia

by Brokeback Watchtower in

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/criticism_of_jehovah%27s_witnesses.

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pale.emperor

The last I heard about "the gay issue" is one of our elders coming back from an Elders school saying "we've got nothing against gays, as long as they dont act upon it there's no reason why they cant go far like any other member".

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Memorable Regional Conventions

by pale.emperor in

i still have my convention to "look forward to".

looking forward to see/hearing some of the things of the things i've been reading about on here.

i've already seen the cultish vids on youtube.

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I still have my Convention to "look forward to". Looking forward to see/hearing some of the things of the things i've been reading about on here. I've already seen the cultish vids on YouTube. I imagine the audience will think it's just amazing and the number of pioneers will double for a week or so.

Makes me remember some memorable RC's over the years. Such as:

2015: The opening prayer, the man didnt end it "in Jesus name, Amen." He just finished his last sentence and walked off. We were all standing there with out heads down and eyes closed waiting for the end... which never came. - He would've got a talking to for that i'd imagine.

2009: Me being roped into cleaning duty. Missed the drama (the only slightly interesting part of the day). During the drama i had the "privilege" of mopping up other peoples vomit, urine and random spillages. The only redeeming factor was the Persian girl in the cleaning team who i naturally spent the entire time trying to get in with.

2007: Longest closing prayer on record. 22 minutes 20 seconds. Was just ridiculous how long his prayer went on. It was like another talk. Me and my brothers time the last prayer because it's usually were the most self important, self righteous, show off tries to impress us all with his "many words" (Matthew 6:7)

After this, i've made my own rule that any prayer over 5 mins will result in my saying AMEN and walking out.

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There's One In Every Congregation

by pale.emperor in

im talking about crazies.

and i mean, way out there mentally ill nutters that think they're perfectly sane.

every congregation seems to have at least one.

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Im talking about crazies. And i mean, way out there mentally ill nutters that think they're perfectly sane. Every congregation seems to have at least one. I think it'd be fun to share who your "one" is.

In my hall we have a lady with only one tooth in her head. She comes to the hall with a dirty old toy pram with a black plastic bin-bag on it. In the plastic bag is a collection of dusty, chipped old ornaments.

In my previous hall there is a woman who sits in the very front shushing people who talk or make any noise whatsoever in the meetings. She also answers rhetorical questions from the platform out loud.

An elder in another hall turns up every Sunday with a spare white shirt - in case the visiting speaker turns up wearing any other colored shirt, in which case he demands the speaker to put on the new shirt!

(Yes, i know many will say ALL JW's are crazy, but im talking about way out there types that we all recognize but just go along with)

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The last video in the 2016 convention...

by problemaddict 2 in

...is an epic triumph is emotional manipulation.

bringing together all of the stories they told thus far and placing them int he "new world" complete with the little boy who was killed in a car accident coming back from the dead.. i have a good friend who is stuck in with family and plays the role.

he said everyone was crying, and the people next to him rated the videos by how many tissues they needed to dry their eyes.

pale.emperor

I have all this to come - our convention is in August.

Im laughing at some of the comments here, well done guys. I'm a born in. I've been mentally out for about 6 weeks and in the process of fading. Research, other bibles and, you know, actually using my BRAIN for a change has been wonderful.

I'd rate this 5 tissues too... but that's just me knocking on out over the girl at 1:53

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How some Elders responded to Ray Franz DFing

by James Jack in

i gave a several talks in gadsden alabama usa during the 90's.

got to eat and chat with several elders who were in the know such as : felix parnell, willie anderson, bobby rogers, earl parnell, theotis french, and rob dibble.

all said they struggled with the decision of his dfing.

pale.emperor

Adam - bearded

Enoch - bearded

Moses - bearded

Abraham - bearded

12 Disciples - bearded

Jesus - bearded

C.T. Russell - bearded

Leviticus 19:27: “‘You must not shave* the hair on the side of your head* or disfigure the edges of your beard.+

Are we missing something here? If anything, if they want to be so hardcore to the rules they should have a rule for NOT have a beard.

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Feeling Sad After Uncovering TTATT

by pale.emperor in

my initial pangs of unease and doubt led me to research some things.

well, a lot of things really.

i've never felt comfortable using the bible to try to calculate dates (1914).

pale.emperor

Refusing a discussion with them is the smartest thing to do. If you say "I don't talk about religion" you have started the game and now it is their turn. I know what they will say to that and so do you. It is a game, the only way to beat them at it is avoid them and be as nice as possible about it. I know, I did it the hard way. If I were you and they came to me and I felt trapped. I would focus the game on them. Hey, nice to see you! How have you been? How is your family? Everything all right? How is sister so and so? Me? I'm doing great, I just can't keep up sometimes, you know how it is. Try not to give them a turn focusing on you. Thank them for being concerned about you and then stare them in the face and say, I am doing just fine. Hey, I got to go, nice seeing you! Always stare them in the eyes when you talk and do not look away. Make them look away, watch their eyes. Its a game you can win if you play it right. You be the one in control of the situation.

Thanks again.

The unfortunate, and tricky thing is, my wife's dad is an elder. In my hall (and im sure every hall) there's social cliques. the "who's who" of witnesses. Her dad is very much in that clique of elders families all getting together doing things, going on holidays together etc. I cant escape contact with him all my life. I dont dislike him although we've had some major run in's with eachother since i've been married to my wife (see my very first post). But at the same time he doesn't see the woods for the tree's so to speak. He lives the perfect elders family life. He doesn't question, look into or debate WT doctrine... hell, he even asks ME questions about theology (im very well read in world religions).

So if it comes to it, im gonna use 1914 as my exit card. I guarantee almost all witnesses cant explain it in laymans terms or even with the bible alone. My wife doesn't even understand it, she just rolls with it because it's too complicated to look into.

I'll become "the brother who is stumbled and researching his beliefs" then never look back.

Interesting update guys, only this morning i told my wife the real reason we don't do birthdays. Because Bro Rutherford banned them because he, personally, didn't like them. In the same breath he also banned singing in the meetings, handshakes (they were effeminate apparently) and tipping your hat to women (they shown subservience to women). She was surprised and laughed and said:

HER: I wish we celebrated birthdays

ME: OK, from now on we will

And we will.

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How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

by pale.emperor in

the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

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I'm not sure when thier new bible was created but to change Micah 6:8 to say what it says now shows they were desperate back then.

Crazyguy, i wasn't even aware of this. Just did some research:

NWT - He has told you, O man, what is good. And what is Jehovah requiring* of you? Only to exercise justice,*+ to cherish loyalty,*+

New International Version - He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the LORD require of you? To act justly and to love mercy and to walk humbly with your God.

Interestingly, pretty much EVERY other bible translates it like the New International Version.

A quick search on Bible hub, the ORIGINAL Hebrew word-for-word transliteration uses the word חֶ֔סֶד (ḥe-seḏ) which means.... "kindness/loving-kindness". Absolutely NOTHING to even hint towards the word loyalty.

I feel sick.

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How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

by pale.emperor in

the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

pale.emperor

But what doesn't make sense to me is for what purpose? WHY string all these people alone, control their lives, the decisions, break up families etc... for what? Money? If they want money they only have to copy the hundreds of televangelist that rake in $10 million a year selling miracle spring water or whatever else.

I think it's the same situation as mormon founder Joseph Smith - deluded? liar? or genuine? I think they all genuinely believe they're directed by God but surely, surely they can see that their decisions are not all correct. I mean people have been disfellowshipped for things that are now ok (oral sex/anal sex debate).

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How Long Does This Religion Have Left?

by pale.emperor in

the generation that will be no means pass away have passed away.. the 144,000 were sealed up in 1935, oh, no wait, we got that wrong, we still have some.. russel is the faithful and wise servant... oh, no he wasn't it was me, rutherford... no, actually, we got that wrong it's knorr... erm, no we mean the governing body.. shunning is pagan, true christians would never do that (1946)... oh, actually, we should do that too.. the revelation book has been re-written.. the un is the satan's visible organisation.. wtbs signs up for fellowship with the un in 1991.. exposed in the guardian newspaper so ends it's fellowship in 2001.. the greatest man book is now obsolete and replaced with another jesus book.. the mags are reduced in pages.. encouraged to use tablets instead of actual books to save paper (money).

halls being sold off.. congregations sharing halls.. society owned buildings being sold off.. video pertitioning for money only last year to fund a new building.. bethelites reduced.. missionaries sent back home.. young members leaving.. long time members discovering the history and leaving.. how long do you think this religion has left?

i cant see it being here in another 100 years.

pale.emperor

But once the governing body members pass away what then? Sooner or later the "anointed" will all be dead. The Governing body HAS TO be made up of anointed brothers... or so the current understanding is.

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Feeling Sad After Uncovering TTATT

by pale.emperor in

my initial pangs of unease and doubt led me to research some things.

well, a lot of things really.

i've never felt comfortable using the bible to try to calculate dates (1914).

pale.emperor

Thanks for all your kind words friends. I feel a little better today. I downloaded and printed the UN letter and im creating a file in work (away from "concerned" members of the org). It's funny, 90% of the evidence is from their own mags, former "spirit guided" members and the bible itself. I dont feel as afraid as before.

If elders come to me im going to refuse a discussion "i dont talk about religion". They cant get me for that (i downloaded and read Shepherd The Flock Of God and know their rules).

I'll keep you all updated.

Thanks again.