Posts by pale.emperor

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Kingdom Hall construction -- Counting time and reporting travel, meals, and lodging expenses

by FatFreek 2005 in

i have two questions.

1. if you work on kingdom hall construction, are you allowed to count your time in lieu of field service?

an old thread here indicated that if you are pioneer, you can count your time.

pale.emperor

My report slip was the biggest work of fiction since Lord Of The Rings. Local needs announcement about young ones not putting in the hours in the field service? Easy, i'll just put a 1 before my actual number of hours and hey presto im in good standing.

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POP QUIZ: You're An Elder, And A Sister Has Suicidal Thoughts...

by pale.emperor in

lets imagine you're a jehovah's witness elder.

you have zero theological training aside from what you've read in the watchtower and the currently still approved watchtower publications, you have zero counseling skills, and no medical training.

a recently bereaved sister approaches you in tears and tells you she just wants to die.. what do you do?.

pale.emperor

"I'm an integrity keeper, I'm an integrity keeper... oh, I must be losing my mind. I was going to put out some cookies with the coffee."

"Thank you Jehovah"

BANG!

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CO visits me today

by Chook in

i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

pale.emperor

I asked if I announced publicly at the meeting that it presumptuous to think the governing body is Gods Chanel , would that offend some and could I be dealt with judicially , to which he said is possible, then I said you better talk to your boss Geoffrey.

YESSSSSSS!!!

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CO visits me today

by Chook in

i'm at home and hear knock on door , i sneak and look i see two men and recognise one voice and go back into lonunge and ask wife ( who is inactive believer) does she want to speak to elders ,she says no ,then literally 3 minutes has pasted another knock the 3 minutes seemed like an eternity.

so brave heart me think fuck it i'll answer ,i invite them in for coffee, i recognise one older man he is a unique elder who i genuinely was fond of when i was in his name is andrew ,the other guy i didn't recognise we will call harry ( not real name australia doesn't have that many cos with his same name).

so i think to myself i will tread lightly and not cause to much of a fuss for the wife's sake, but my personality is very the opposite of treading lightly ,as you read my threads you will realise i'm not timid.

pale.emperor

Love it Chook!

"wont be used against you" ??? What, are you in a court of law? Have you committed a crime? Who the F does he think he is? (oh, yh, we all know who he thinks he is).

I only hope i can remember all of your points when i get my 1 year disfellowshipped "shepherding" visit. You have no idea how much im looking forward to it. Got my mp3 recorder ready and everything.

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Week 16 Since My Disfellowshipping - Update

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

i could really do with you advice regarding my current state since being disfellowshipped 16 weeks ago.. since being given the boot (i did try to fade but it failed) ive been on a rollacoaster of emotions.

lately im getting frequent headaches, tiredness and i have about 3 or 4 thoughts running through my mind at all times.. im passed the sadness phase of discovering it's a cult.

pale.emperor

Hi guys. I could really do with you advice regarding my current state since being disfellowshipped 16 weeks ago.

Since being given the boot (i did try to fade but it failed) ive been on a rollacoaster of emotions. Lately im getting frequent headaches, tiredness and i have about 3 or 4 thoughts running through my mind at all times.

Im passed the sadness phase of discovering it's a cult. I look at the religion objectively now and the cult-y-ness is so glaringly obvious. What does make me sad though is that my family genuinely believe that i know it's the truth but that im in denial. They assume (because they don't speak to me) that i must be sleeping around, smoking, taking drugs, getting drunk etc. But the truth is im the same person with the same morals as before. The only difference in me since leaving is im a lot more friendlier to non-JW's, and im more generous. I used to think "why bother trying to help the homeless, fight poverty, donate to cancer research etc because Jehovah will sort that out one day".

Today i felt really sad. My family are emulating the mother in the latest disfellowshipping video shown at the 2016 convention who doesnt answer the phone. I send photo's of my daughter to my mum via whatsap but get no reply. Not even a "that's nice" or anything. Shunning me is pointless because i dont beleive in god anymore. And even if i did i'd have to figure out which god it is. So im not returning to the JW's. But im completely cut off, they keep playing the shunning game so i cant tell them my current situation.

This week i was officially made homeless. My brother told my mum and sisters. They didnt nothing. Not even a phonecall. My ex told her friends and the elders in her hall. They did nothing. Bear in mind i have a 2yo. The "good Samaritans" did nothing. I had 4 days to find a place to live or i'd be on the street.

Guess who helped? - A Catholic family. Yes, "babylon the great", some of those "worldly" people who are supposed to be without morals and sound reasoning. They helped me find an apartment. And i move in in a few days. They even arranged a van to help me move... for free.

My brother rang yesterday. He's studying with the witnesses and was actually really happy and excited because some bombs hand gone off in Syria and killed a couple of hundred people, there was a shooting in Liverpool and some natural disaster in India has killed a load of people... why was he happy? "Because surely this shows we're so close to the end now". This type of thinking and talk really pisses me off. I cant stand the thought of innocent people suffering and witnesses just love it. I asked him what he knows about Beth Sarim and he had no idea what it was. I explained it and he said "have to been on apostate sites?" i said no, it's in the old books and magazines. He said "you shouldn't be reading them" and "apostates like to exaggerate things".

I have my daughter 3 days a week and i really wished she lived with me. She has no idea what's going on with me and the witnesses and i worry that one day she'll join them too and shun me. Of corse i'll tell her TTATT but i dont want to come across as a crazy apostate that my ex's parents tell her i am.

What i'd like to know is, is there a list of phases one goes through before they're "recovered" from this cult?

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I don't think I will be able to escape the JWs ...

by nevaagain in

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friends

i know i will get a lot of backslash on this forum for saying this, but as it looks like, i won't ever be able to escape the jws.

i have been a born in, third generation jw and awoken in one way or another (i joined this forum 15 years ago) for a very long time.

but i have adapted to the jw lifestyle to a point where it does not bother me anymore.

pale.emperor

Hi nevaagain

I can relate. Im in my early 30s and understand that it's difficult to meet people and form new friendships, most people by this age already have well established friendships that were formed years ago.

If you're happy living the life you've described above then i sincerely wish you the best. I dont think JW's are bad people... sure there are some, but generally they're good people. It's the organization most of us on here have a problem with, and people blindly following teachings that just arnt right.

But, if you want to live as a JW despite not being committed then i wish you the best and i hope you meet a nice girl.

Pale.Emperor

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Another "good" elder might be getting the axe....

by humblepotato in

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friends

so our congregation is full of hardliner elders, 3 of them, who are not gentle, kind or loving.. people have either moved away or quit trying because one elder inparticular was going to drive them crazy with all his rules and nit picking and being righteous over much.

(and he is pissed that he hasn't been accepted to the school.

hmmm, i wonder why!).

pale.emperor

I can honestly say, in my 31 years as a Jdub there were only 2 elders that i thought were good, decent men. Even now as an apostate i'd give my right arm for them. Bear in mind i must have met literally thousands of elders in my time that's a very shocking statistic.

Ive seen with my own eyes one elder embarrassing a young struggling unbaptized man about his poor meeting attendance. The young man walked out mid sentence and never came back.

Another elder would screw up your report slip and throw it at your feet if it was less that 6 hours a month.

And my absolute favorite asshole was from a neighboring congregation. His daughter was having a BBQ and invited me and my brothers and sisters - then he approached me after the meeting as asked if my dad was an elder. I said no and was promptly uninvited from their BBQ. (At first i was pissed, but a year later i had my hand down his other younger and hotter daughters bra at a house party so it made up for it).

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Rape Victim Forced To Listen To a Tape Of Her Assault In A JC

by pale.emperor in

this is absolutely outrageous.

a rape victim was forced to listen to herself being raped while the elders stopped and started the tape claiming she was consenting.

even though during one of the assaults she was duct-taped, gagged and had a pillowcase over her head.

pale.emperor

This is absolutely outrageous. A rape victim was forced to listen to herself being raped while the elders stopped and started the tape claiming she was consenting. Even though during one of the assaults she was duct-taped, gagged and had a pillowcase over her head

http://www.sltrib.com/home/4465861-155/woman-sues-utah-jehovahs-witnesses-church

Words fail me.

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The Hypocrisy Of A Judical Committee

by pale.emperor in

i posted the elders training school video of how to conduct a judicial committee on my youtube channel last night.

it got me thinking of the hypocrisy of the whole thing.

and also how in their own publications they ridiculed the pharisees for the way they dealt with jesus... which is the very same manner they use on the flock.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lzmgjjpafk.

pale.emperor

."....but I ended up being pulled along to the slaughter..." Is this deuschbag for real??? For crying out loud he got the phlegm off his chest not bobbited!!! And then he is in tears because the bun's rising! What did he expect when not using protection? Two drinks bought him a fishing line but now that he's caught a minnow, he's yelling"seduced"! Hmmn I got in my screw and now I wants to bolt! Tut tut Robbie. This ain't a hobby. Man up! Man up!

Hairtrigger you make me howl!

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POP QUIZ: You're An Elder, And A Sister Has Suicidal Thoughts...

by pale.emperor in

lets imagine you're a jehovah's witness elder.

you have zero theological training aside from what you've read in the watchtower and the currently still approved watchtower publications, you have zero counseling skills, and no medical training.

a recently bereaved sister approaches you in tears and tells you she just wants to die.. what do you do?.

pale.emperor

Here's one for you. Lets imagine you're a Jehovah's Witness elder. You have zero theological training aside from what you've read in The Watchtower and the currently still approved Watchtower publications, you have zero counseling skills, and no medical training. A recently bereaved sister approaches you in tears and tells you she just wants to die.

WHAT DO YOU DO?

a) Invite one of her trusted female friends to sit with you while you both listen to her pain.

b) Listen to her on your own, then advise counseling and maybe the services of a mental health specialist

c) Sit her down in a room with another elder and throw scriptures at her.

Watch the video to find out which is the right answer.

https://youtu.be/gZizPhMndGc

And once you've watched it, watch this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Of5cgecGIhg

Sorry guys, but if it were that easy to cure depression we'd all be doing it.