has anyone found any religion that makes more sense than the watchtower organization?
obviously catholics make even less sense than them so don't say that.... the reason i ask is because i still believe the bible is the word of god, but just that the jw's have twisted it for their own benefit, as most religions seem to do....
I used to believe in the bible even after I left the witnesses, but if you research how we actually got the bible we have today you will see it's a miss-mash of books chosen by the Catholic Church that fit nicely together. Lots of other books were kept out.
Secondly, even if Jesus did do/say all those things - he didn't start a religion. He gave people a method to live their lives. And only one commandment: LOVE.
We can all do that.
was going through the book that is currently being studied at midweek meetings.. paragraph 18 of chapter 11 reads.... a second area of moral refinement involves themeasures taken to keep the congregation clean.
sad-ly, not all who accept jehovah’s standards of conductand dedicate themselves to god loyally stick withtheir decision.
some eventually have a change ofheart and willfully rebel against those standards.what is to be done about such ones?
"...evidently..." i love it when they use that word. Splane used it when explaining the overlapping generation crap "evidently".
i am incredibly disturbed.
many of the jws i'm still friends with on facebook are incredibly excited that trump won the american presidential race, posting, "yay!
i'm so happy!
They love a good disaster dont they? I used to say the same things when i was a JW and there was a natural disaster.
for those that don't want to listen to the broadcast i've made a transcript on the section presented by losch on champions of truth.. be a champion of truth.
in today's world truth is being attacked and distorted.
we are being surrounded by a sea of lies and misrepresentations.... satan is the father of the lie but today there are children of the lie..... a lie is a false statement deliberately being presented as true.
It also sets us free from false teachings, from spiritism, from astrology and magic.
Errrrmmm... EVERY JW i know has the superstitious belief of demons living in 2nd hand shirts and vases bought from charity shops. So the average JW doesn't really think they're protected.
I would agree though that the truth really does set you free from fear. Fear of a hebrew sky pixie with an obsession with blood, watching everything we do every minute of the day just biding his time until he nukes 4 billion people for not knowing who he is. Yes, once you stop believing that you can live a happy life free from fear.
how many witnesses are aware that technically, according to watchtower policy, they can if they wish too...associate with dissociated and disfellowshipped relatives.
for all those who are dissociated or disfellowshipped, please share this with your relatives who are currently shunning you.
there is nothing the elders can do as long as they are not discussing spiritual matters.
I'd love to see them tell the truth just once:
november broadcast is up:.
https://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201611.
we learn interesting things.
Jaydubyaborg FAQ paints a less than truthful view too.
Do Jehovah's Witnesses Shun Former Members of Their Religion?
"What of a man who is disfellowshipped but whose wife and children are still Jehovah's Witnesses? The religious ties he had with his family change, but blood ties remain. The marriage relationship and normal family affections and dealings continue."
Filthy liars. When those children reach the age of majority the shunning is expected to commence! (If not before)
And lets not forget that the leaver is held to ransom for the rest of his life because if he dares to join another religion, celebrate a holiday or vote he's "disassociated by his actions". It's a dirty trap.
november broadcast is up:.
https://www.jw.org/download/?fileformat=mp4&output=html&pub=jwb&issue=201611.
we learn interesting things.
I haven't watched it yet but im gonna take a stab in the dark here...
The son who wants to leave is acting all self righteous and hard hearted and the parents are sobbing because HE left THEM? Then HE leaves the family home voluntarily and the PARENTS are the ones to be pitied?
Yeah, coz that's exactly how it happens in real life.
how many witnesses are aware that technically, according to watchtower policy, they can if they wish too...associate with dissociated and disfellowshipped relatives.
for all those who are dissociated or disfellowshipped, please share this with your relatives who are currently shunning you.
there is nothing the elders can do as long as they are not discussing spiritual matters.
I tried this. I took a photo of the page from Shepherd The Flock Of God and sent it to my family (i think it's page 116?). My mum replied that it's clearly an apostate fake because the elders dont have a secret handbook!
i just left about six months ago and i'm going through the emotional whirlwind that comes with it.
i would really appreciate some advice on how to keep this fade from turning into my being disfellowshipped.
i'm another born in, third generation.
Welcome longgone
I know exactly where you're coming from. I too am a 3rd generation born in. Fading is possible but you need to take it slow and not make any big movements - in the sense of suddenly celebrating Christmas openly, birthdays etc.
I know of lots of people who faded successfully by not turning up to the hall and when questioned just said something like "im going through some personal issues right now" and leaving it there. Dont agree to any elders visits, dont tell any JW or friend/family of a JW what you're thinking. JW's (as we all know) are superb at spreading gossip even though their own mags condemn it.
I wouldn't feel too bad on your family either. Think of it as North Korea. This organization is very much like a dictatorship were defectors are punished. To escape you cant trust anyone (JW). They may mean well by ratting you out to elders sincerely thinking theyre "saving you from armageddon".
Feel free to PM me, and by all means post on here often so we can help.
for those who were never a jw, here's a fun guide to passing yourself as one:.
privilege [priv-lij] - a duty nobody would volunteer to do which is assigned to you without your say so.
such as cleaning the toilets, picking up other brats candy wrappers in the back row and being stuck on locking up duty for the 7th time in a row.. df'd [dee-eff'd] - disfellowshipped.
FINISHED HIS EARTHLY COURSE: He's dead.
NEW LIGHT: The result of some 60+yo who ate some cheese before bed and woke up with a "really cool" idea in his head which 8 million people must now all believe if they want to keep their family and friends.
ONE OF THE REMNANT: A crazy fool that thinks he's gonna live as a king/priest in heaven when he croaks it.
