Ah but then i wasn't baptized in the name of the father, the son and the holy spirit. I was baptized in the name of the father, the son and gods spirit directed organization. Therefore i was never dedicated to Jehovah.
pale.emperor
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April 2017 wt says you can't undo a dedication to God
by poopie inif that's true then you can't say such and such is no longer aa jehovahs witnesses .
now i'm not very educated but is this like contradictory..
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The Great Watchtower Guilt Trip
by pale.emperor inas im sure almost all of us on here are ex-jw, we all know first hand how well the watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.
guilty for not going on the ministry enough.. guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.. guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.. guilty for saying a swearword.. guilty for looking at a porno mag.. guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the only one who did!).
guilty for thinking the gb is wrong on a certain thing.. guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).. guilty for not following along in the watchtower magazine on sunday.. guilty for not studying.. guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.. guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.. guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.. the list goes on.
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pale.emperor
Wonderful post FREEANDCLEAR. Same with me, i sneakily checked up on JWFacts and on here from time to time but my cognitive dissonance could think up lame excuses for most things. Finally getting DF'd was great because i allowed myself free reign to research like a fiend. There's absolutely no amount of cognitive dissonance that could override the stuff i know and have experienced since leaving.
We live in a wonderful world with wonderful people. It's not perfect, it can be scarey and you need to look after yourself but it's a wonderful world.
So much better than the JW world.
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Will Governing Body stop preaching work?
by neat blue dog inat this year's annual meeting (2016), david "mark" sanderson asks the audience the question, "are you determined to keep on preaching with us until we say the work is completed?
" to which they respond with applause.
do you think that stopping the preaching work will ever be a part of the gb's long range plan?
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pale.emperor
Actually, them calling and end to the preaching work could be the GB's get-out-of-jail-free card. Think about it, stop the preaching, call it a fulfullment of prophecy. Say the end of the world is near... any day now... wait for it... GB all die in luxury and the religion fizzles out or is taken over as a splinter group and the madness continues.
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I feel really, really sorry for those born into the Jehovah's Witness religion
by jambon1 insome facts that make the difference between you and me:.
1 - as a person raised by non jw family, my parents have never loved me based on conditions set out by a group of old men who they don't even know.
how does it feel to know that you are in the unique situation where your parents brought you into the world and said 'i'll show love to you.
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pale.emperor
At the time though it feels so normal. You look at your schoolfriends and the general public as "fools" for not understanding that armageddon is surely to come and destroy them all. How silly of them to be pursuing worldly hobbies and careers.
How about this, as one raised as a JW, i NEVER got a lie in. You'd get up early for school each day, then Saturday ministry and Sunday meetings. And at circuit assembleys and conventions having to sit there ALL DAY not understanding a word of and only looking forward to the lunch break and home time.
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The Great Watchtower Guilt Trip
by pale.emperor inas im sure almost all of us on here are ex-jw, we all know first hand how well the watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.
guilty for not going on the ministry enough.. guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.. guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.. guilty for saying a swearword.. guilty for looking at a porno mag.. guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the only one who did!).
guilty for thinking the gb is wrong on a certain thing.. guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).. guilty for not following along in the watchtower magazine on sunday.. guilty for not studying.. guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.. guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.. guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.. the list goes on.
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pale.emperor
As im sure almost all of us on here are ex-JW, we all know first hand how well the Watchtower used the power of guilt to manipulate our thoughts and actions for the entire time we were active witnesses.
Guilty for not going on the ministry enough.
Guilty for not trying harder while on the ministry.
Guilty for not turning up for hall cleaning that time.
Guilty for saying a swearword.
Guilty for looking at a porno mag.
Guilty for masturbating through my teens (i thought i was the ONLY ONE who did!)
Guilty for thinking the GB is wrong on a certain thing.
Guilty for touching my girlfriend there... even though we've been dating for 3 freakin years and not had sex (thats not natural imo).
Guilty for not following along in the Watchtower magazine on Sunday.
Guilty for not studying.
Guilty for nodding off during the 8 hour convention.
Guilty for my mind wandering during the talks.
Guilty for thinking of sister so-and-so.
The list goes on. And it's amazing how powerful a handle guilt can have on a person. Making someone feel worthless and unimportant is cruel and unloving. It's a classic cult manipulation trait.
It's only since leaving that I've felt real happiness and relief. Not having to lie about who i talk to, where im going, what i watch, if i smoke, if i try this, if i do that. In fact, i can honestly say, it took leaving the Jehovah's Witnesses to make me an honest man! On the rare occasions that Witnesses from my old KH speak to me i refuse to lie to them about what i like and what i dont like. I will mention without a trace of guilt that i was in Amsterdam a few weeks ago and smoked marijuana. That i collect Hindu idols to decorate my home and that my friends are a mix of atheists and one or two pagans.
Being able to speak so openly about myself is so liberating and i truely value "the [real] world" for allowing me to be myself.
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Does anyone have any fashion sense? Getting Married. Help?
by RavenPearl ini am a man and i have roughly 10 months to prepare for my wedding (including raising the funds etc... my fiance is caught up in her affairs associated with the wedding.
now i do have a pretty good sense of fashion when it comes to 'dress to impress' when required.
however, i'm not familiar with specific clothing lines.
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pale.emperor
A black suit and skinny black tie with a white shirt has never failed me. You'd look suave anywhere wearing that. (Love the ceremony outfit by the way).
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The con is completed - comments from the US branch's LDC chief
by sir82 inrecently attended a special assembly day.. guest speaker was thomas chicky, a member of the us branch committee and the head of the us ldc (which has replaced the rbcs).. the last talk of the day is scheduled for an hour.
it was the usual boring mumbo-jumbo.
he appeared to have blasted through his hour-long outline in just about 45 minutes, so he "treated" us to informal comments on recent developments.. he commented on the new wt complex in fishkill ny.. then he dropped the bomb (well, to anyone with ears and at least 2 functioning synapses).. the following is not a word for quote, but presents the gist of his comments:.
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pale.emperor
Ok, so they said one thing and did another. There's a word for that, it's called lying.
Or maybe they didnt lie. I mean they couldn't possibly have anticipated the future because they're not inspired or infallible.
So once again their incompetence is thrust to the foreground. Do they issue an apology? Give the money back? Use the money to build much needed KH in Africa or Asia?
Naaaaa.... they just keep it.
AND THATS TAX FREE MONEY MIND YOU!!
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JW eBay Feedback Comment "Time Is Running Out!"
by pale.emperor inso i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago.
among the books for sale were some watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society.
so i thought they'd be wanted by ex-jw's or active apostates for their research.. unfortunately, it looks like an active jw is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of gods kingdom rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out".
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pale.emperor
"should have read it yourself" was a little insulting. It's exactly because i read it myself, along with the other trash they printed over the years, that i wanted to leave.
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JW eBay Feedback Comment "Time Is Running Out!"
by pale.emperor inso i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago.
among the books for sale were some watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society.
so i thought they'd be wanted by ex-jw's or active apostates for their research.. unfortunately, it looks like an active jw is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of gods kingdom rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out".
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pale.emperor
So i did a huge book clearout before i moved house a few weeks ago. Among the books for sale were some Watchtower books that had become obsolete, old light or had since been "clarified" by the society. So i thought they'd be wanted by ex-JW's or active apostates for their research.
Unfortunately, it looks like an active JW is so brainwashed that they not only bought the "old light" version of Gods Kingdom Rules but they even suggested that i read it because "time is running out". I held back my retort. I mean, what does one say to a comment like that?
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JWs and taking blood
by dogon ini have a brother who works in the medical profession and in particular surgery rooms.
he had a jw woman who needed blood.
while the jw elders were there she said no blood.
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pale.emperor
I think most witnesses think the blood issue is complete rubbish but go along with it hoping they'll never have to be in that situation. If they made it personal choice and "dont ask - dont tell" as it should be then there'd be no problem.