Posts by pale.emperor

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Now THAT is one messed up witness

by pale.emperor in

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my youtube channel which has some kingdom hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it.

check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:.

jw: i am a jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk.

pale.emperor

Something wrong here.
Talks are not an hour long and there is no song 208

This must be from the old days. Previous songbook perhaps?

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Now THAT is one messed up witness

by pale.emperor in

jw
friends

my youtube channel which has some kingdom hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it.

check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7znpzkakaki&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:.

jw: i am a jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk.

pale.emperor

My Youtube channel which has some Kingdom Hall talks has been getting some very angry and some strange witnesses commenting and defending it. Check out this nutter from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zNpZKaKAkI&google_comment_id=z12evtjofrujijrvm22permpenj3tr5vp:

JW: I am a Jehovah's witness and the brother gave a very good talk. thanks for posting this. this talk is talking about independent thinking from GOD, a son who loves his father listens out of love and trust but a son who hates his father is disobedient out of hate even when he knows his disobedience leads to his own suffering. the creator Jehovah gave me free will and my own mind to chose, so i can disagree with another human whoever he may be and chose to do something my own way no problem ...this is using your conscience and free will. even Abraham used his thinking and free will when talking to the creator Jehovah about destroying Sodom. why would god give you a mind then expect you to behave like a controlled dog/ this would make your obedience to the creator worthless. your trust in the creator is based on your own experience and obedience based on faith that you know gods way is the right and best way of doing things. the creator does not expect us to be photostats of each other like mindless puppets. so i have freedom in making choices for myself in matters that do not go against god standards. but as respects gods standards I willingly choose to be obedient to the creator because i well know that He knows what is best for me because he created me. BTW it may have appeared to Eve that the serpent was able to speak after it had eaten the fruit so she may have assumed if the dumb snake could talk after eating the fruit i will become a god if i eat the fruit and will not die. consequently she saw the fruit was good to eat because the snake had eaten the fruit. Eve's eyes were opened because that is why they were removed from paradise see Gen 3 v 22. So it appears that God and the spirit creatures have the full range of emotions, good like love and bad like hate, but in humans the bad qualities, we will never control them perfectly so having hate and jelousy in us makes us imperfect, we were not created to have them and this causes us to be imperfect and die according to gods right standards. agreed this system has to be destroyed it is very wicked indeed.

MY REPLY: Hi. But the problem is JW's dont see the difference between what Jehovah says and what the Governing Body says. Independent thinking from the Governing Body is not allowed. You know that. I know that (i was a JW 32 years, pioneer). Yes in the bible God gave humans free will. And the Jehovah's Witness Governing Body take away your free will. The free will to accept a blood transfusion. The free will to talk to your family if they're disfellowshipped. The free will to leave the organization without any reprisals. The free will for women to wear pants in the Kingdom Hall. The free will for men to have beards. The free will for any Jehovah's Witness to get together with friends to study the bible. QUOTE: “Does ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ [Watchtower organization] endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate?—Matt. 24:45, 47. No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. …They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature. …Thus, ‘the faithful and discreet slave’ does not endorse any literature, meetings, or Web sites that are not produced or organized under its oversight… For those who wish to do extra Bible study and research, we recommend that they explore Insight on the Scriptures, ‘All Scripture Is Inspired of God and Beneficial,’ and our other publications….”—Kingdom Ministry, September 2007, p. 3

JW: Well think about it. we are living in Satan's system as sheep among wolves. we have limited insight and so therefor would need high walls to protect us....how would you know if satan or his seed was misleading you? or sent in a wolf in sheep clothing? you would not, even if your intentions were true? you would still fail because of imperfection. until it was maybe too late you would then only see the danger like Eve did. once in the new system we will have more freedom and after we are perfect after 1000 years then even more freedom. these restrictions are for a protection. see them for what they are. not an attack on your liberty and dignity but a loving protection. if we could read peoples hearts and have super human reasoning and were not impaired by our emotions then the high walls would not be necessary. Satan has no mercy or love for us...none. he is a master abuser so if i know my child is living in a pedophile haven at school and i had no option but to leave her in school...you bet she would go to school with rules that may appear as very restrictive even overly protective but that is because i love her and want to protect her. Please understand i grew up in an occult surroundings in Satan's very organisation when i came into the truth had to deal with heavy persecution from the demons even to this day even after knowing the truth for many years...i know my release will only come after their being shut in the abyss. so i need that high wall and appreciate it. more than you will ever know. Babylon the great is more than simply religion it controls the very education system and when it is destroyed then people will realise how deep Satan's deceit and power over ALL humanity really is. o boy are you in for a big big surprise. every thing in this system is a lie. give you an example if the moon was orbiting the earth every 30 days as we are taught in school then after 6 months or 6 earth orbits the moon would be in the same position to earth but opposite the sun so therefor the moon phases should swap over every 6 months. and they do not. you have no idea how bad it is...if you would only open your eyes and look properly you would run back to Jehovah for protection. you have NO idea how bad it really is. we need those high walls.

Spoken like a true cult member. She'd let her child go to school knowing there's a pedophile there?

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The day after Armageddon

by Pronger1 in

jws are scattered across the globe.

a few million people left, pretty isolated from each other.. telephone lines and power goes down since the people who supported the infrastructure are dead.

communication across town, state, country, etc is cut off.

pale.emperor

Imagine the position they'd be in.

"Anyone know how to jimmy a car?" no, all the criminals are dead.

"Anyone know how to build a shelter?" my dad did but he was anointed so he's up in heaven.

"Ok, lets gather food... oh, there isnt any..."

Wonder how long it'd be before they start eating the bodies like off that film "Alive"?

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

pale.emperor

*** w08 1/15 p. 22 par. 11 Counted Worthy to Receive a Kingdom ***
The Hebrew Scriptures were written in the first place for the fleshly nation of Israel during the time that they had a special relationship with God. The Christian Greek Scriptures were written primarily for “the Israel of God,” those anointed as brothers of Christ and spiritual sons of God. Of course, that in no way suggests that non-Israelites could not derive great benefit from studying the Hebrew Scriptures. Similarly, Christians who are not anointed with holy spirit derive immeasurable benefits from studying and living according to the counsel found in the Christian Greek Scriptures.

Im flabbergasted. I never knew this when i was in. It smacks the whole point of being a Christian in the face. How dare they!!

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Short stay

by midnight in

after much research and prayer i am returning to being a jehovah's witness i can find nothing that eliminates them from being god's directed people , in the end they will reach the end of there journey despite mistakes and errors just like the israelites entered the promised land , thanks for your input and all the best on your personal journey ☺.

midnight..

pale.emperor

Ok midnight. I'm glad you're at least making an informed decision. But please be aware that Jehovah's direction to the Israelites, to Moses, to Abraham, to Noah, to Enoch etc was always very clear. Why would he suddenly become so vague in his messages to his people (allegedly the Jehovah's Witnesses)?

Also remember that your life will no longer be your own, you'll be under the scrutiny of elders (non trained in theology or counseling) and Watchtowers ever changing doctrine that will flip flop as this organization goes on.

Your very first post says:

i find life hard facing up to mortality etc not having the new system hope

Mortality is something that is not nice to think about. But just because we want to go on living with our loved ones doesn't mean we will. Nor does it mean that the witnesses have "the truth". I implore you to read the bible on its own first, or even look into eastern theology and philosophy before rushing into anything. May i suggest philosopher Alan Watts? His lectures are on YouTube and are quite thought provoking.

All that aside. I wish you well. Sincerely.

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

pale.emperor

JWs believe the whole of the New Testament is addressed to the anointed, not the other sheep.

slimboyfat do you have a cross reference from any Watchtower publication for this? I'd love to have it to hand the next time they come knocking. I didnt know this when i was a JW and i'd be sure many others wouldn't either.

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Now I'm Convinced There Probably Is No God

by pale.emperor in

yesterday i made a visit to the museum in my city.

the top floor is the planetarium, which has a connecting room with a huge dome ceiling where they project lessons and lectures and you have a 360 view of the night sky etc.. this particular lecture explained about our galaxy, and how it's only one of billions in the universe.

and then we learned about each planet, some of their moons and the sun.

pale.emperor

...the flood and the ultimate destruction of the wicked by fire represent the Earth's baptism, first by water, then by fire. And as we're redeemed, so Earth is redeemed. As we escape death, so Earth will be glorified, redeemed and sanctified.

1. The earth was not baptized. The earth didn't commit a sin and need "saving".

2. Baptism was introduced by John the baptist, not before.

3. The whole earth did not receive fire and brimstone, only Sodom and Gomorrah did.

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"Matthew 5:5 Blessed are the meek, for they will inherit the earth."

by pale.emperor in

now that im not longer a jw this verse puzzles me.

being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that jesus was talking about a paradise on earth.

but now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here?

pale.emperor

Now that im not longer a JW this verse puzzles me. Being born and raised a witness, this verse confirmed to me that Jesus was talking about a paradise on earth. But now that everything the witnesses taught is 99.99% incorrect can somone explain what he was getting at here? How can they inherit the earth but be in heaven? And who will be on the earth if people are destined to go to heaven?

Im asking purely for interest. I dont believe the bible is inspired any more than Herge's Adventures of Tintin is.

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Shunning

by A Believer in

you guys do know that if you just leave and never go back you wont be disfellowshiped right?

i know people who have done exactly this.

you have to commit a sin and you or someone else has to tell a elder.

pale.emperor

And if you think it's ok to just leave when you want and go your merry way and not expect any reprisals, take a look at an S77 form:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwqmWMK7dwtlX2JwcV8tbEtBX3M/view

This is the form the elders fill in about you if you get disfellowshipped or disassociate... disassociated ones are treated exactly the same as disfellowshipped ones. Joining another religion, accepting a blood transfusion or joining the army are all they need you to do in order to declared you disassociated. It's check mate my friend.

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Reaching the most distant parts - Geoffrey Jackson praising Bible translators and missionaries as "faithful ones" or even "anointed ones"

by TheWonderofYou in

after we heard some time ago that before the time of russel there was no "faitful slave" or no anointed ones who formed a faitful slave class, now we learn that we dont know if before russel there were not "faitful ones" or "anointed".

indeed jackson says that we know the bible teaches that throughout the history there would be a large number of "sons of the kingdom" ..or anointed ones.. beginning from this month in several projects including a film about christian bible translators who gave an example of "faithfulness" and "discretness" in translating the bible, the christian bibletranslators and missionionaries who used "jehovah" by the way are receiving ultimate praise of the governing body, in the first place at the moment is shown the video about tyndale, wo so is very much supposedly a "faithful one" and perhaps even "anointed" because he loved the bible.. jackson says that those early missionaries of the christendom already "preached the message" before russell.

january broadcast.

pale.emperor

But of course Tyndale believed in the cross, hellfire and the trinity so he'd be disfellowshipped.