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  The Ransom for Nitwits

  by Farkel in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  mark 10:45: "for even the son of man came not to be ministered unto, but to minister, and to give his life a ransom for many.".

  1 timothy 2:5-6: "for there is one god, and one mediator between god and men, the man christ jesus; who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.".

  the ransom that was taught for the first 1,000 years of christianity.

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  pale.emperor

  This is brilliant. Thanks!!
  
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  New "Become Jehovah's Friend" Video - The Ransom

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  : https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/#mediaitems/allvideos/pub-pk_e_26_video.

  sickening propaganda for our young ones.

  they've laid off on the "armageddon will be here soon" angle and now it's all about "hope".

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  pale.emperor

  Have you seen this? : https://www.jw.org/en/publications/videos/#mediaitems/AllVideos/pub-pk_E_26_VIDEO

  Sickening propaganda for our young ones. They've laid off on the "armageddon will be here soon" angle and now it's all about "hope". "Hope" of living forever in a paradise. "Hope" that will get us through tough times.

  Is this the best they have now? No REAL practical help from the scriptures? No REAL practical help from the congregation to the community? Just "hope"?

  It was crap like this that i envied other religious people that seemed to live happy lives knowing their scriptures back to front and inside out.
  
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  I would like to rant about how I get really upset when I get some weak invitation back to the cult.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  my mother wanted me to know that the co gave a talk that kinda-sorta reprimanded an elder in her hall.

  he is not the reason i left at all, and this does not address anything to do with me or our family.. my mother-in-law sent me texts which i ignored and now she has sent a picture to my wife on facebook just for me, and it's a prodigal son meme that says, "you see the signs, come back it's not too late".. yeah, it's not too late to accept a global flood in 2370 bce, or that man was created in 4026 bce from a golem spell, or that an us-and-them cult mentality is at all healthy or loving, or that religion is going to be banned by the un, or that i should expect anyone else at the door to accept these stupid ideas in the information age.. what am i supposed to say?

  i usually just ignore them, but before i do that, i see that shit and i storm into this weird internalized rage where i start writing a response and deleting it.

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  pale.emperor

  When I was an active JW I lost count how many times I used to hear JWs saying that they were sure ex brother or sister so and so "knows it is the Truth" and that they will soon come to their senses, or just need guiding back with love and encouragement. Ahhhhhh!!

  Oh I hear ya! My family are saying this to congregation members about me.
  
  
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  Hypocrisy Overload! "When Loved Ones Do Not Share Your Faith: Awake!—2003"

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  came across this article regarding non jw relatives.

  the hypocrisy in this article is astounding.. http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102003808#h=10.

  my comments are in yellow.. .

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  pale.emperor

  Came across this article regarding non JW relatives. The hypocrisy in this article is astounding.
  

  http://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102003808#h=10

  My comments are in yellow.

  
  

  The Bible’s Viewpoint

  When Loved Ones Do Not Share Your Faith

  ACCORDING to one estimate, there are more than 10,000 religions and sects in the world. In one country about 16 percent of the adult population have at some point switched from one religion to another. It is no wonder, then, that there are disagreements about religious beliefs among relatives and friends. Sometimes this results in strained relationships. Thus the question, How should Christians treat loved ones who do not share their faith?

  Yes, sometimes it results in strained relationships. Especially when one of the religions actually encourages shunning for those that wish to leave.
  

  A Special Relationship

  Consider, for instance, what the Bible says about the special relationship between parents and their children. No time limit is implied in the command at Exodus 20:12 to “honor your father and your mother.” In fact, in Jesus’ discussion of this command, recorded at Matthew 15:4-6, it is obvious that he was speaking of the honor that adult children would render to their parents.

  The Bible book of Proverbs cautions against showing disrespect toward one’s parents. Proverbs 23:22 advises that you should “not despise your mother just because she has grown old.” Pointedly, Proverbs 19:26 warns that one who “is maltreating a father [and] that chases a mother away is a son acting shamefully and disgracefully.”

  It is clear from the Scriptures that we should not neglect our parents. The fact that our parents do not accept our religion does not cancel our relationship with them. These Bible principles apply similarly to other blood relations and to one’s marriage mate. Clearly, Christians remain morally and Scripturally obligated to love their relatives.

  Why then dont you apply these principles to ex-JW family members?
  

  Reasonableness Is Vital

  Of course, the Bible warns against bad association, and this influence could come from one’s immediate relatives. (1 Corinthians 15:33) Many faithful servants of God in the past stood up for what is right even though their parents disagreed. This evidently was true of Korah’s sons. (Numbers 16:32, 33; 26:10, 11) True Christians should not compromise their faith to please others, not even their relatives.—Acts 5:29.

  "True Christians should not compromise their faith to please others, not even their relatives" Lets flip this around shall we? Suppose you're from a family of Catholics, and your brother converts to become a JW. Wouldn't it be unreasonable to for the Catholics to shun their brother? Simply for converting to a religion he really believes in?

  In some situations parents or other loved ones vehemently fight against the beliefs of a Christian. Some may even become enemies of true Christianity. In such cases Christians take reasonable steps to protect their spirituality. Jesus aptly said: “A man’s enemies will be persons of his own household. He that has greater affection for father or mother than for me is not worthy of me; and he that has greater affection for son or daughter than for me is not worthy of me.”—Matthew 10:36, 37.

  In most cases, however, Christians do not face severe opposition from their loved ones. Their relatives simply do not share the same understanding of Bible teachings. The Holy Scriptures encourage Christ’s followers to treat unbelievers “with mildness” and “deep respect.” (2 Timothy 2:25; 1 Peter 3:15) The Bible aptly counsels: “A slave of the Lord does not need to fight, but needs to be gentle toward all.” (2 Timothy 2:24) The apostle Paul also counseled Christians “to speak injuriously of no one, not to be belligerent, to be reasonable, exhibiting all mildness toward all men.”—Titus 3:2.

  Keep in Touch and Express Love

  At 1 Peter 2:12, Christians are given this encouragement: “Maintain your conduct fine among the nations [unbelievers] that . . . they may as a result of your fine works of which they are eyewitnesses glorify God.” Often, loved ones who do not share our beliefs see the changes that the Bible has made in our life. Remember that many who were indifferent or even opposed to Bible truth have changed their mind. It may have taken many years of closely observing the good conduct of a marriage mate or a child for some individuals to investigate the reason behind that conduct. When people do not accept Bible truths, let it not be because they were neglected by a Christian loved one.

  Funny, if they actually practiced this, maybe they wouldn't be losing 70% of born in's every 10 years and 33% of converts a year.
  

  Admittedly, circumstances vary, and some Christian Witnesses live far away from their parents. It may not be possible to visit as often as desired. But writing letters, calling on the telephone, or keeping in contact regularly in other ways will assure our loved ones of our affection. Many who are not true Christians love their parents and other relatives and communicate regularly with them regardless of their religious affiliation. Should Christian Witnesses do any less?

  Indeed. I mean, surely JW's should be setting the gold standard in family unity if they're true imitators of Christ. I tend to see more love and kindness from the staff in my local Starbucks then i do from my ex Family.
  

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  Keeping in touch with your loved ones will assure them of your affection
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  Audio Of JW News Report On Radio - Child Abuse

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. scandals

  jehovahs witnesses and the goddard enquiry made the news on bbc radio 4. it talks about how they've deliberately destroyed evidence after being told to hand them over to the courts.. listen to the first minute then fast forward to 33mins:.

  https://youtu.be/5sz7szs8sei.

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  pale.emperor

  Jehovahs Witnesses and The Goddard Enquiry made the news on BBC Radio 4. It talks about how they've deliberately destroyed evidence AFTER being told to hand them over to the courts.

  Listen to the first minute then fast forward to 33mins:

  https://youtu.be/5Sz7sZS8SeI
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  Has anyone else seen this video on JW Broadcasting?

  by NikL in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i was checking out the website to see what the february broadcast was all about before i watched it with my jw wife.. on the front page was this video.... https://tv.jw.org/#en/video/vodbible/pub-jwbai_201607_1_video.

  i watched it and pretended i had never been a jw.. if you pretend you don't understand their particular language it makes for a interesting (if not vague) watch.. btw i've seen several of the actors before.

  jw version of movie stars?

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  Looking at it now as as a non JW it just reeks of sadness. It's so sad that he has to report what he does, who he talks to etc to his parents and elders.

  Yeah mate, dump that nice pretty girl, spend the best years of your life wasting away in the "ministry school".

  The girl had a lucky escape if you ask me.
  
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  Finished Mystery (1917)... The book that Jesus approved...

  by Alfred in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so a few months ago, a friend sent me an actual copy of finished mystery which was published in 1917 (not a pdf download... the actual book).

  i must say, this was the most disturbing book i have ever had the displeasure of reading.

  but i only read it because this was the main publication that was being distributed worldwide when jesus supposedly chose the watchtower in 1918 and i basically wanted to see for myself what jesus saw in the wt that would compel him to choose this religious corporation over all other religious denominations.. anyway, if anyone is interested in knowing the actual contents of this book, here are some bullet points i put together from some of the notes i took as i read the book:.

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  Funny thing is, if you believed these things now you'd be disfellowshipped... even though Jesus apparently chose these teachings himself.
  
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  What has been your own personal experience of shunning?

  by UnshackleTheChains in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am interested in finding out on a small scale the extent of which shunning has impacted on you personally.. my own experience is that when i faded about 12 years ago.

  the woman whose house the book study was held at (and who was virtually a neighbour) walked right past me in my own street.

  i remember it so well.

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  I hardly seen my family anyway but it still sucks that they have nothing to do with me. My mum tells people I'm dead, one of my sisters spreads rumours about why I was DF'd (everything from adultary to worshipping Satan).

  The flip side is I really enjoy making JWs squirm when they see me. One time I was with my daughter and they completely blanked me but said hello to her. So I said out loud "hey look, they're pretending they can't see me! Aren't they idiots? That's what cults do!"

  They heard THAT I can tell you.
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  2017 Circuit Assembly: Lesbians at school demonstration

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  steve2: is there some way this can be presented so that it is crystal clear what was actually in the demonstrations and what was added?

  i guess some will think it should be obvious - but this is where misunderstandings arise because we end up wrongly attributing something to jw organization that was never said.. circuit assembly theme: maintain love for jehovah!.

  note to speaker: warmly encourage young ones to prove their friendship with jehovah by observing his commandments and defending his standards.

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  I guarantee there will be some butch JW men in the audience wearing ladies underwear during this.
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  JW Convention 2017

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

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  There's definitely a sense of panic as the JW's hemorrhage members. You only have to take a look at how the theme of the conventions has suddenly changed from appealing to witnesses AND non witnesses to just witnesses (they really love those exclamation marks don't they?):

  2007: Follow The Christ

  2008: Guided By Gods Spirit

  2009: Keep On The Watch!

  2010: Remain Close To Jehovah!

  2011: Let Gods Kingdom Come!

  2012: Safeguard Your Heart!
  

  2013: Gods Word Is Truth!

  2014: Keep Seeking First Gods Kingdom!

  2015: Imitate Jesus

  2016: Remain Loyal To Jehovah!

  2017: Don't Give Up!