Posts by pale.emperor

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I'm 90% PIMO but events in Russia made me stop and think maybe Jehovah is real and helping

by Isambard Crater in

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i'm at the stage where i'd love a big scandal to come along showing clearly that the j.w's are not the true religion, but sometimes i get touched inside by various thoughts or events, the russian court trial being one of them.. i mean, j.w's are understandably fixated with attending the memorial, so why didn't the court say it will resume on monday or tuesday, instead setting wednesday 12 april as the date?

part of me believes the comments from pro-j.w's that jehovah moved events so they could attend the memorial.. it seems the j.w's will not be banned, which makes my mind and heart wrestle between thinking jah's behind it, or maybe the ministry of justice is just woefully prepared compared to the superb australian royal commission team who did their homework.

it surprises me the russians seemingly haven't done any homework..

pale.emperor

Ok, allow me to remind you of the following:

Jehovah allowed JW's in africa to be gangraped, chopped up alive, burned alive, put in prison and starved to death. He also allowed his people to end up in concentration camps during WW2. He gave C.T.Russell wrong information, Rutherford wrong information again, Knorr wrong information yet again and even now he's allowing his people in Korea and the middle east to be banned. He allowed his people in France to go to prison in the 1990s and ALL OF A SUDDEN decides to maneuver things this week so that his people in Russia can have their memorial?

If really does exist he's not worth of being worshiped. The incompetent fool.

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Jehovah's Witnesses and Love

by Cold Steel in

comments?

stories?

reminiscences?.

pale.emperor

I was explaining to someone yesterday about JW love. I used my mother as an example. She, and the rest of my entire family (uncles, aunts, cousins, nieces, nephews) are all shunning me. I dont hold any hatred for them because i know that they're under a bad influence. My siblings and i were raised with a distorted idea of what love is.

My mother was raised in foster homes, her parents didn't look after her at all. Her parents were selfish and uncaring. At 15 my mum found "the truth" and it became her family. She had never experienced real love in the first place from her own family. Then she's introduced to the witnesses and they tell show her their version of love. Love for Jehovah and his organization is the absolute pinnacle of love. Anything else, family, friends, children come after it. Love for family is disposable. It can be taken and re-applied like a sticker for good behavior.

You only have to listen to what GB member Stephen Lett said in the March 2017 Broadcast "The Governing Body love you... non witness friends dont really love you". This kind of crap sums it all up. The Governing Body, who've never met me nor anyone i know, apparently love me more than my actual friends that i've known for years and hung out with and gotten to know. The indoctrinated JW doesn't know what real love is. And when they're shown it by non JW's they dont trust it. Thinking it must be some sort of trick or fake.

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Has Anyone Ever Just Gotten Mad and "Popped" an Elder?

by Cold Steel in

it has to have happened.

people get stressed out, an elder or overseer takes just two steps over the line and gets a fat lip for his trouble.. does that ever happen?

or maybe someone "counsels" a brother at the wrong time and tempers flare at the old kingdom hall?.

pale.emperor

So why do the JWs believe the elders are appointed by God? It's a fundamental question for someone who can take away your wife [SNAP!], other family members [SNAP!], friends [SNAP!] and fellow worshippers like that [SNAP!] If GB members really were God's chosen and appointed servants, I could at least understand why they might revere them and their appoints, but the GB has been denying inspiration and revelation for years, right?

May active JW's dont actually believe that elders are appointed by God. I never did, and others my age in private conversation would openly say that they cant be appointed by God because brother so-and-so has been appointed even though we know he's still doing you-know-what with you-know-who. Many people put up with their bullying nature because it's safer not to rock the boat. In order to disfellowship and ruin your family bond they'd need a Judicial Committee of three elders. But a single elder would have some clout in influencing others to not associate with you. If you had an opinion of a scripture and and elder had another, everyone would go with the elders opinion. The congregation mistakenly think that elders have such a great knowledge of the scriptures, which really isnt the case (in my congregation i was the go-to person for biblical knowledge, even by elders. But i'd still tell them check up on what i tell them.)

My mum, for example, has a reverential fear of elders. She fawns over their wives and goes out of her way to be connected in any way to an elders family.

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Thank you for helping me through the bad days

by doubtfull1799 in

i'm sure that whatever stage we are at with our journey in leaving the corporation disguised as a religion, aka the watchtower bible & tract society, we have good days and bad days.

maybe young ones who have managed to escape mentally do not suffer quite as much, or suffer in different ways, but after 40 years of indoctrination, what i now like to call the "machinery of reinforcement" it is unavoidable that you don't have days where your head is messed with.

yesterday was just such a day for me.

pale.emperor

Hi doubtfull1799, your post hit a chord with me. I know what you mean, i went through a really difficult time a few months after i left (my post was here: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5658435402072064/help-please-finding-hard-adjusting-real-world). Getting used to the real world and seeing the society for what it is and not being able to tell anyone because they wont look at the evidence is frustrating and can knock you emotionally. Personally, i have to just let people (JWs) make their own mistakes. More and more will come out of the cult on their own eventually.

The propaganda, black and white thinking and cult-speak are difficult to rid oneself of but we'll get there.

This forum has been such a support to all of us, i dont know what i'dve done without it. Maybe i'dve fell back into the borg.

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Circuit hall for sale - Netherlands (even has a website)

by Anony Mous in

https://congreshal.nl/.

built in 1966, renovated 4 times since last in 2011, they then built a new one for eur 8m and sold this one.. roughly translated: the foundation for building and exploitation of congregation buildings of jehovah's witnesses (department bennekom) is happy to announce the sale of the congregation hall at edesweg 147 in bennekom.. the well maintained building of approximately 5700 sq meters divided in two layers with approximately 300 parking places on included property offers great possibilities for various fits.. on the edge of the "food valley" and "knowledge axis" lays the place bennekom currently fully under development.

both the reachability and the compartments of the buildings offer the space for various fits and cooperation between interested parties.. .

pale.emperor

It's a shame the KH's dont have the beauty of other churches or temples. The Mormons got it right when it came to building temples. You'd be forgiven for thinking this KH is an office or warehouse.

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Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions

by jambon1 in

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what is it with this pair?

why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?

a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.

pale.emperor

I personally don't think the JWs in Russia should be banned. Banning something just makes it more sought after. I remember when Eminem was new on the scene, here in the UK there were TV documentaries, media reports etc all saying how terrible and dangerous his lyrics were... his record sales sky-rocketed.

Banning something isnt the way. The borg work that way, banning certain websites, banning certain family members. If someone wants to believe an invisible Jesus chose a the Watchtower in 1919 as his org even though it was pretty much an entirely new religion then that's their business. We all know the JWs love the idea that they're being persecuted, why give them the satisfaction?

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Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions

by jambon1 in

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what is it with this pair?

why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?

a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.

pale.emperor

Cedars has and will, step on anyone he has to in order to be "Grand Apostate Master #1." He thinks he's the rightful heir to the throne of Raymond Franz. He insulted Mike & Kim, stepped on Copyright Laws with Ray's book, has been caught outright lying, was banned long ago from this very forum for stirring sh*t up, and that's only the crap I know about. He's a self-aggrandizing sleezeball out to make a name and $$ for himself. A Raymond Franz, he is most certainly NOT. He's not even close to a Paul Grundy or Barbara Anderson.

^Sources?^

I havent bought or read his book at, at the moment, i've no desire to. But i do enjoy his videos.

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We Pass the Bread and the Wine Just like in the Bible! But, why is forbidden to eat?

by lusitano o tuga in

see what bridget azaz did!.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pzbe5yo7uq4.

pale.emperor

Interesting this is, i used to work with a Wiccan. Although i was a little scared of her (simply because she was openly Wiccan) i used to have some very interesting conversations with her about religion. She'd dabbled in many of the more darker, scary religions before becoming Wiccan. When she heard about the JW version of the memorial she said straight away "oh, like a black mass?" and thought we were doing it because we didn't believe in Jesus. When i explained that, no, we do believe in Jesus but only some partake she was adamant that it's a similar ritual that theistic Satanists or Luciferians do (cant remember which one it was) to deliberately reject the body and blood of Christ. She told me that some spit on it, some simply pass it without eating it and, so i was told, one person ate the bread then vomited it into the wine.

It could be pure coincidence that the GB make 8 million followers perform a black mass once a year or it could be they're doing it deliberately as their little joke. I dont know. Interesting thought though.

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Marc & Cora on YouTube causing unnecessary divisions

by jambon1 in

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friends

what is it with this pair?

why do they have to constantly have a bitch about guys like john cedars?

a very recent video of them shows them calling him a 'village idiot' and making other disparaging claims.

pale.emperor

I think there are far too many ex-JW couples on YouTube. It's getting silly now. John Cedars is, i think, the better produced, written and thought out. He clearly puts a lot of time in to make them. I wouldn't have the time or patience to do it.

I do think ex-JWs online should support eachother, not bitch about the other one. If you dont have anything nice to say about them, dont say it. Thats my motto.

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My Current Views About God, Relgion, JWs and Life In General

by pale.emperor in

this past year has been the most life changing year anyone could ever go through.

waking up, leaving the cult, separating from my wife, research, research, research, reading, pondering etc.

and i've found myself having to re-learn and re-evaluate everything i thought i knew.

pale.emperor

I can totally see why ancient people would see a pretty lake or a majestic mountain top and want to ascribe a god or goddess to them. In their primitive way it was a way of showing reverence to something wonderful and beautiful that would outlive them all.

I can relate more to the ancient Greeks with their pantheon of gods that are neither benevolent or inherently good. They're selfish, playful and at times wrathful. Living for their own pleasures and literally playing chess with us humans. I can see why they'd create gods like that because each one is an exaggeration of human nature. We have the lustful satyrs ravishing who they please, Zeus putting it about everywhere and having affairs, Hades keeping the dead etc