Posts by pale.emperor

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Suggestions for a JW Apostate logo

by Chook in

if you can't upload one vote on others suggestions.

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Looking for experiences from those who are married with kids and have dissacociated

by UnshackleTheChains in

this is a question for those who officially left the organisation and are married; and your spouse and kids are still in.'.

i just wanted to find out what your experience has been when you dissacociated.the following questions go through my mind all the time.

it always comes back to the what if's!.

pale.emperor

Okay. so how are divorces happening when someone leaves the borg? That is not a scriptural ground.

Well we all know the only reason a JW can get a divorce. My ex and i are separated. But since leaving me for simply not believing that Stephen Lett and co. are going to be kings and a priests with Jesus i've taken care of that issue and she can now seek a divorce... many times over

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Interesting Thing My Little Girl Said Today

by pale.emperor in

my 3yo daughter lives with me 4 days and with her mum 3 days.

i have her tues, wed, fri evening and saturday all day.

which means my ex takes her to sunday and thursday meetings but she doesn't go door knocking on saturday because she's with me.. i dont mind - at the moment - because in a way i want her to know the jw jargon so we can talk about it without having to explain what it is, and i want her to compare the bullshit to the real world.

pale.emperor

My 3yo daughter lives with me 4 days and with her mum 3 days. I have her Tues, Wed, Fri evening and Saturday all day. Which means my ex takes her to Sunday and Thursday meetings BUT she doesn't go door knocking on Saturday because she's with me.

I dont mind - at the moment - because in a way i want her to know the JW jargon so we can talk about it without having to explain what it is, and i want her to compare the bullshit to the real world. My ex is hit and miss with the meetings as it is. It's not uncommon for her to call me on Thursday or Sunday when she should be at the KH - she even gives me an excuse of why she didn't go (like she needs to explain herself? Remember those days?). Anyway... i was walking home from the bus stop with my little girl yesterday and we had this conversation. Keep in mind, she's 3yo:

DAUGHTER: We're not going to the hall are we?

ME: No. I dont go the hall.

DAUGHTER: Later?

ME: No. Later we're going to a...

DAUGHTER: Cafe!!!!!! :-D

ME: Yep. Hey, i used to go to the hall you know. Remember?

DAUGHTER: No. (She was 2 when i stopped going). do you know _________ (her friend)

ME: Yes. I know her mummy and daddy. When i was little i was in the same hall as her mummy. I used to knock on doors too. Have you done that?

DAUGHTER: No! (laughs)

ME: Do you want to?

DAUGHTER: No!

ME: Cummon, lets knock on this door (i pretend im going to walk up a random path and knock on their door)

She laughs hysterically. I asked her what it's like in her hall as if i dont know. She described it as a room with books where she plays with her friend and the mums talk... she was describing the back room. So meeting attendance is just my ex sitting in the back room talking to other mums while the kids play? That's good news for me, it just means she's not there for the "spiritual food" and most likely doesn't even want to go. My kid just thinks it's a play room. I cant imagine any bible study at home going on seeing as when we were together my ex was studying the Bible Story book. Seriously. The Bible Story book!

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Convention invitations

by dothemath in

so everyone is supposed to get all excited about the invitation work starting tomorrow, according to the announcement from the platform.. maybe this makes sense if you're giving out invitations in the city where the convention is, but what if you're many hours away?.

a huge part of western canada is scheduled to attend edmonton alberta this july.

so how does that go over giving out invitations in winnipeg, about a 13 hour drive(that's just driving time).. i know some are actually planning on flying there, so i can't see getting excited about getting the public to make the trek.. i was curious how this is going over in other areas?.

pale.emperor

freddo

Utter, utter complete and utter - waste of time.

You're right freddo. It wasn't until i left that i noticed just how unsuccessful these campaigns are. When i was in i thought "wow! surely only Jehovah's holy spirit could direct such a thing. Everyone in the country receiving an invitation."

Last year i never received an invitation through my door. I probably wont receive one this year. Come to think of it, i haven't had a JW knock on my door at all in a whole year. And it cant be because the congregation is avoiding my door because i moved 8 months ago and they dont know my address.

Waste of time, energy, money and paper.

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July 2017 presentation videos

by wifibandit in

july 2017 presentation videos.

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pale.emperor

What would it be like with no death? hmm... over population for a start. Does that include animals, insects, germs and plants too? In that case the world will be unbearable within 6 months.

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Looking for experiences from those who are married with kids and have dissacociated

by UnshackleTheChains in

this is a question for those who officially left the organisation and are married; and your spouse and kids are still in.'.

i just wanted to find out what your experience has been when you dissacociated.the following questions go through my mind all the time.

it always comes back to the what if's!.

pale.emperor

Hi pale emporer
I am sure I saw your video fairly recently if my memory serves me correctly. There are no lengths these people will go to. These guys couldn't simply accept your decision to dissacociate and leave it at that. Its despicable what they did especially when they know the consequences you would face. Downright cruel.Thankyou for sharing your experience. Your answers have given me all the answers I need. In your case, you are happy with your decision and am glad you have found closure. This cult screws up people's lives. They break up families. It is so sad. I wish you and your daughter all the best for the future.

Hi. Thanks. Yes that video actually resulted in LOTS of JWs getting in touch. A few from the north west of England contacted and arranged a meet up. I've met some people who's lives have been really F'd up when all's they wanted was to be left alone. I took the video down after about 2 weeks. I wanted to get it out there but not for all my family and former friends to see because all that would happen is i'd be gossip for my former congregation. I may do another one in more detail in the future.

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New Letter CONG 06/20/2017

by Edison Trent in

a new letter became available.

i got it from a friend of mine in a german congregation.

he told me the book is not available until now, because the revised bible haven't been released in german.. to all congregations.

pale.emperor

Jesus—The Way, the Truth, the Life. This is the book that replaces The Greatest Man Who Ever Lived book. Because the Greatest Man book is now... you guess it OLD LIGHT.

How many hours, weeks, months, years did we spend studying that book over and over again? So many times that my answers were still highlighted and written in the margins so i didn't even need to study it the other times it came around. Well that was a waste of time wasn't it? We probably should have, you know, just studied the bible like we were supposed to in the first place.

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1975 EX JW Critical Thinkers video.

by WHATSGOINGON in

hi everyone.

jt and lady cee have posted an awesome video about 1975, its very interesting.. check it out, i just watched it and its great.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i6nocaq0x-8 .

cheers wgo..

pale.emperor

I watched this last night. Very well researched.

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Looking for experiences from those who are married with kids and have dissacociated

by UnshackleTheChains in

this is a question for those who officially left the organisation and are married; and your spouse and kids are still in.'.

i just wanted to find out what your experience has been when you dissacociated.the following questions go through my mind all the time.

it always comes back to the what if's!.

pale.emperor

I disassociated but was disfellowshipped anyway afterwards. Yes, i know it doesn't make sense, they wanted to "chat" to me about my decision and during that chat disfellowshipped me.

I have a 3yo daughter and am now separated from my wife.

Do some witnesses still come to your house for association with your still in spouse? Or do all of them avoid your home like the plague?

Nope. They treat me the same way the pharisee's treated lepers. They literally jump out of their skin and look the other way in the street.

Do some of the more down to earth...keeping it real ones still talk to you as normal when they come to visit your spouse etc?

As above. No. My spouse lives with her parents. Im told that the cliques in the congregation included her for about 2 weeks and worked with her in service, but we now know that this was just the get the details, the gossip. They dont bother with her anymore.

Do they allow their kids over for sleep overs and association and carry on as normal?

My daughter has one little friend her age in the KH. There's no sleepovers but she does do little days out every now and then with JW kids. My ex takes her on these though.

Did you write to relatives who are JW's and respectfully say they need not worry; that they could still come over, but that you would respectfully refrain from discussing anything spiritual out of respect for their beliefs?

I used to. I made it very clear that i have no interest in drawing them away from their religion if they're happy with it. They dont reply. Or on the rare occasion that my sister does it's to tell me im going to die in armageddon. My mum tells people im dead. My other sister stalks my Facebook and makes up stories about me to the rest of the family.

Do any or even all of your JW relatives avoid visiting your home despite the fact your spouse and children are still attending?

No one even knows where i live, let alone try to visit. My mum does sometimes ask my ex to bring my daughter over to visit.

Did your dissacociation cause a lot of stress between you and your spouse and children?

Not at first. When i told my then-wife that i no longer believed it, she was troubled but ok about it. Only when i actually DA'd did she leave me. Her elder father helped with that.

Did your experience affect your mental health?

No. But it could have. I was fortunate to have people on here and Ex-JW Facebook group to help me through it. I refused to sit at home and think of all the bad stuff. It has changed me though. Im a lot more abrupt when JWs on their carts try to convert me back.

Was it worth it? Or do you wish you had simply faded?

Yes! Vert worth it. Fading means they still have some hold on you. Now everyone knows where i stand.

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2017 Sunday RC Final Talk & Comments About 1975

by baldeagle in

many of us here have commented on the deceitful friday afternoon video shown at the 2017 rc that discussed 1975.. the video attempted to shift the blame onto congregation members for the fiasco saying, "some were looking to a certain date as signifying the end of this old system of things.".

this same video mentions how, “a few even went so far as selling their homes and quitting their jobs.”.

we all know that the wt leadership created this teaching and endorsed it right up to its abject failure.. now below is the concluding talk given on sunday at the rc.

pale.emperor

Marked. I'll watch this later.