Posts by pale.emperor

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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

pale.emperor

I cant see the convention release downloads on JW.org anymore either. Have they taken them down? Where's Wifi bandit?

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Gerrit Losch Claims JW's Attending College Are Spiritually Weak

by pale.emperor in

https://www.facebook.com/jw.0027/videos/799049613609936/.

the video was posted directly to a pro-jw facebook page.

i cant believe what i'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.. didn't they say to the judge in the arc that they dont discourage college?.

pale.emperor

https://www.facebook.com/JW.0027/videos/799049613609936/

The video was posted directly to a Pro-JW Facebook page. I cant believe what I'm hearing... actually, nothing surprises be about this cult anymore.

Didn't they say to the judge in the ARC that they dont discourage college?

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2017 Convention Video To Be Shown Regarding The 1975 Failure

by pale.emperor in

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=go3arnnsfkk&feature=youtu.be.

no mention whatsoever that it was watchtower themselves that strongly hinted towards this date.

instead they blame those who "put their trust in a date, not jehovah".. let's recap... .

pale.emperor

Unfortunately, the bOrg is cracking down on their videos being on YouTube. My channel alone gets emails like twice a day trying to get me to remove the leaked elders training videos.

Now, you'd think if it was the truth, that they'd be glad that their stuff is being spread online for free wouldn't you? Not so. It's almost as if they dont want everyone to see these videos.

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Who takes the title as to the greatest apostate ?

by Chook in

some may say gb , other may say popes , jesus he qualified as one and started his own religion.

terry on the forum he is up there.

it's that religious zeal against a former life.

pale.emperor

In order:

Jesus - The Jewish apostate that started his own cult.

St.Paul - The apostate that started his own branch of Jesus's cult

C.T.Russell - The apostate that started a severely bastardized version of Christianity

J.F. Rutherford - The apostate who bastardized, an already bastardized version of Christianity.

Fred Franz - The apostate who used the Watchtower publishing house as his personal printing press which distributed the ideas he just "thought up" which everyone had to accept as truth.

The current Governing Body

But if we're going for "apostate" by who's the best ex-JW so-called apostate online? I'd say Zeb. That dude has some balls going into all those Kingdom Halls and doing what he does.

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Clapping and singing in Conventions... like the evangelicals??

by ILoveTTATT2 in

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https://www.facebook.com/traslapados/videos/1470101566382318/?hc_ref=otherwhat do you think of this video?.

do you think they're imitating evangelicals?is this happening in other places?

?.

pale.emperor

Remember when Anthony Morris claimed Jesus was his big brother?

https://youtu.be/YiPBC9_Rat8

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Why Do People Become JWs?

by minimus in

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friends

i was born in the religion but why on earth do people join this religion?

?.

pale.emperor

Even when i was "in" i used to say "this religion attracts nutters".

If someone you love dies, be it parent, child, sibling, friend... and someone sells you a fantasy of seeing that person again on earth and you living with them again people sometimes buy into it. Because they want it to be true.

Also, a lot of people have respect for the bible, or think that it's holy even though they dont follow it. So when a cult comes along and shows them that the bible really says x, y and z and not many people know this you feel special and enlightened.

Im a 2nd generation born in, although my grandad did convert after my dad did. My dad came into it because he saw positive traits such as honesty, unity and all those smiling faces. My mum came into it as a 15yo girl after being abused at home, growing up in foster homes from age 5 and no one ever caring about her. Along comes the JWs and instant friendships and suddenly a purpose and goal in life. This is why mum will never leave. Even if she see's it for what it is. The org is her parent now, and it has been since she was 15.

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Hello from Illinois

by Rob206 in

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i come from a catholic background, but most recently had been with the churches of christ.

i have contacted my local congregation and will be talking with someone tomorrow, hopefully setting a study up for next week.

i want to study scripture, but also want to immerse myself in everything jw publishes.

pale.emperor

Hello Rob

This site is 99.99% made up of ex-Jehovah's Witnesses. If you're interested in learning about what they're all about and WHY we left start here: JWFacts.com

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Sir Anthony Buzzard clears up something that always baffled me about Jesus and the Spirit

by UnshackleTheChains in

if you have ever wondered why jesus is always kept at the sidelines by the governing body, then watch this video.. sir anthony buzzard clarify's my own personal doubts and has helped me see exactly what jesus role is alongside the holy spirit.

for all christians searching for truth, this video is a must!.

just a side note.

pale.emperor

Although an atheist now, i think this guy is a great speak and theologian. He's debate with two JW's over Jesus being Michael the archangel was brilliant (it's on youtube somewhere). I memorized his lines and use them with JWs.

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My Reverse-Shunning Letter To My Mother

by pale.emperor in

i mailed the below letter to my mother a few weeks ago.

i did share it on the ex-jw facebook group but thought i'd post it here.. basically, she's shunned me since day 1, has little or nothing to do with my 3yo daughter and told my sister "i hope <my daughter> becomes a jw when she's older so i can welcome her into the family".

well, that was the last straw for me..

pale.emperor

I mailed the below letter to my mother a few weeks ago. I did share it on the ex-JW Facebook group but thought i'd post it here.

Basically, she's shunned me since day 1, has little or nothing to do with my 3yo daughter and told my sister "i hope <my daughter> becomes a JW when she's older so i can welcome her into the family". Well, that was the last straw for me.

I wanted to set the record straight, leave it on a high note and highlight how happy i am. I dont miss her, i dont miss my former-family or former-religion. Notice that i used her first name and not "mum". She's no mother to me. She ever really way. The cult always came first.

Dear Irene
This is the last you’ll likely hear from me so I wanted to write to you and leave it on a good note. It’s been just over a year since I last spoke to you. I did see you in McDonalds with Danny but decided not to speak to either of you because I know your religion doesn’t allow it.
I hope you are well, and the rest of your family. Ben has been ringing me almost on a daily basis since I left the witnesses but I’ve recently requested him not to contact me anymore. The same goes for Liz and Danny. I haven’t heard from Becky since day one. I hope the kids are well too. They must have changed lots since I last seen them.
I’ve had a very good year. It’s not always easy navigating the real world after leaving a high control group, and I had very few friends who were non JW. But that wasn’t so bad because I didn’t have any JW friends even when I was in! ha. I’ve been to Holland twice, Germany, Belgium and various parts of this country visiting other exJWs and I have a new family made up of exJWs from all around Europe. So I’m ok. I’m good. I don’t know if you were concerned (or even bothered) but I wanted to put that out there to you just in case. I’m part of a support group here in the North West that helps people recovering from cults and helps them leave. There’s some really messed up people out there. Former Mormons, Christadelphians, Moonies, Worldwide Church Of God and Jehovah’s Witnesses. Some JW’s I remember from parties I’ve been to with Becky and Liz have contacted me and asked for help. I give talks now to victims of the Watchtower Society. People who were molested by elders who were protected by Watchtower, parents who have kicked their teenage children (under 18) out of their house, parents who have let their babies die for want of a blood transfusion only to learn later that their child could have had it if the elders didn’t intimidate them and threatened them with shunning. There’s at least one apostate on Liz’s Facebook that she has no idea is trying to leave. Two on Ryans.
The Family
I know you do what you do because you think it’s what god wants and that’s ok. I hold no resentment or ill feelings towards you or any of the family. That’s why I’ve cut off all contact with Ben, Liz and Dan. You want to shun me so I will respect your decision. But I did try to give you all a chance first, I would hate to think my old family were telling people “Mark broke up the family” when in fact I’ve tried to include you in it. I have no intention of drawing you away from a faith that you’re happy in. Dan recently told me he didn’t want to go anymore and invited me to his. I did go but I refused to discuss religion with him. I was concerned a the state of his apartment and the way he is living. That boy needs his finances sorted. I was planning on helping him with that but, seeing as you’ve probably had a talk to him about me it’s not likely I’ll be seeing him again. I don’t regard losing a family as a loss. I hardly seen you all as it was, I never had any of you to rely on or to support me when I needed it. I was almost homeless in 2016 and you all did nothing. If it wasn’t for “worldly” people who helped me find a place to live Id’ve been living in a hostel. But again, I don’t hold that against you. You do as a magazine tells you and that’s what you think is the right thing to do. No harm done in the end.
For a time it did irk me that Celine, Sophie, Ben _____ and Laura _____ still have a very close and loving relationship with their mother. I know Celine, Sophie and Laura aren’t disfellowshipped, but according to the elders guidebook they should be being shunned – im glad they’re not – but it’s strange don’t you think? Their mothers love is so strong that their natural affection wins out. According to the elders guidebook Shepherd The Flock Of God, page 116 paragraph 6:

So you see, nothing would have happened even if you did have any association with me. And, it’s against the law (and human rights) for a religion to command it’s members to shun family. That’s why the clause is there in the elders book. Of course, the average congregation member wouldn’t know this because you’re not allowed to own or read their guidebook. I have a copy of the elders guidebook and the circuit overseer guidebook. How nice to see that this isn’t a secretive religion with information hidden from its members.
Me
But you should know that I would have returned to the witnesses if I wasn’t being shunned by my family. I think you all would have encouraged me to go to the meetings. But being shunned for not having the same beliefs just made me see how very similar it is to a cult. Scientologists do the same thing. Anyone who leaves for any reason is “disconnected”. In fact, it’s one of the hallmarks of a cult. I wouldn’t want to be a part of it. And I certainly wouldn’t want to be a part of something which could one day tell me to shun Erin. As far as I know, there’s nothing more natural than a mothers love for her child. I think the bible calls this “natural affection”. Any religion that would distort natural affection and sever that bond is not worthy of my time and certainly has no business calling itself Christian. I can’t think of a scripture where Jesus shunned or told people to. And I’ve read the bible in its entirety twice since leaving and I know Paul didn’t use the word shun or disfellowship. Reading the bible on it’s own there’s no way I would come out with 1914, shunning, blood transfusions or birthdays – unless there was a magazine to accompany it. But I don’t think the bible was intended to have magazines accompanying it. But regardless, I don’t believe the bible so it doesn’t matter to me.
My Rejection Of God
So please understand that I won’t be returning, not because I’m bitter or upset, but because I don’t believe in any god. And even if I did I certainly don’t believe it would be Jehovah. And even if it was Jehovah I’d still reject him for the terrible things he’s done. I seem to have higher morals and appear to be more forgiving than him. So I wouldn’t regard him as worthy of my attention. For me, harming a child is the worst thing anyone could do. Jehovah killed the firstborn Egyptians after he himself hardened Pharaoh’s heart. He also commanded the Israelites to slaughter the Canaanites and their children. Then later he commanded them slaughter Babylonian children, babies and even pregnant women. (Isaiah 13:16, 18) Even going so far as letting the Israelites rape the women. (Zechariah 14:1-2) (Jeremiah 51:22)
Is this the kind of god I’d want to be associated with? No! So before any of you wish to speak to me you’d need to explain to me how infanticide, genocide and rape is ever acceptable.
I was raised in a high control religion that forbid studying any other religion, of researching it’s own history, of questioning it’s governing body and not allowed to mix with non members. So it was inevitable that I’d join myself when I got older. I have JF Rutherford to thank for making me stop believing the Jehovah’s Witnesses. I read all of his books. Not one of them is ever quoted or mentioned in the Watchtower anymore. Here is “gods mouthpiece on earth” telling me:
That the prophets would be resurrected on earth in 1925:
"Therefore we may confidently expect that 1925 will mark the return of Abraham, Isaac, Jacob and the faithful prophets of old, particularly those named by the Apostle in Hebrews chapter eleven, to the condition of human perfection" (Millions Now Living Will Never Die, pp. 89-90).
That Armageddon would arrive in 1942:
"Receiving the gift (the book Children), the marching children clasped it to them, not a toy or plaything for idle pleasure, but the Lord's provided instrument for most effective work in the remaining months before Armageddon." (Watchtower 1941 Sep 15 p.288)
So either Rutherford wasn’t being lead by holy spirit, or Jehovah fed him lies, or he was making it up as he went along.
Better Things
But let’s talk of better things. I wanted to leave you with my happiest memories. That surprise day when you got me Crash Dummies (remember them?!), the time I was collecting a magazine called “Bugs” and you came home from shopping in Kirkby town centre with issue 5 for me (I don’t remember why that sticks in my head but it does). Walking you down the aisle. The holiday in Cyprus. And when you visited Rachel despite her being disfellowshipped when Erin was first born. That was really nice of you and Rachel appreciated it a lot.
Rachel and I are fine. We get on a lot better than when we were married. You know I was so stressed when I was with her, what with dealing with OCD and having to fix problems all the time. And going to yours and feeling I needed to leave early all the time. But things are miles better now we’re separated.
I’m so much happier now, I have Erin and I have freedom. And there’s no reason in the world why I would ever have to shun her. And even if there was I still wouldn’t. You see, I love Erin. More than the idea of living forever, more than god (even if he did exist). I would happily die in Armageddon just to see her. That, to me, I real love and I do love her and she knows. Why would I want to live forever without her?
So that’s it. I hope you and Dave have many long and happy years together. As for the rest of the family, I’m sure more of them will leave the witnesses as the years roll on. When they do, please tell them to still not contact me. They can go on JWFacts.com or Jehovahs-Witness.com for support. Not to me. I’m declaring myself no longer part of your family. So I will leave you with the same words I said to Dan and Liz. “Be happy”. Seriously. We’re in this world until we die, so we might as well spend it being happy and loving one another than doing as we’re told from a magazine publishing company that changes it’s mind every couple of years. (I hear the JWs are baptizing children now?). The religion has changed so much in just the year since I left. I see JW.org everywhere. When I was little, we prided ourselves on not having a symbol like Christendom does. But, whatever, I don’t believe it anyway and it’ll probably not exist in another 50 years.
I love you (no matter what religion you are).
Be happy
Mark

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Loyalty - Part of the New Personality (S-341a-18-E 5/17)

by wifibandit in

loyalty—part of the new personality (s-341a-18-e 5/17).

note to the circuit overseer:.

use this outline for the tuesday service talk from september 2017 through february 2018. you will need to prepare your own 30-minute service talk for use after the watchtower study.

pale.emperor

Isnt it horrible that line line between God and the Org is well and truly blurred?

In JW land if you leave the Org you've left God. Never mind that you may now be a Jews, a Catholic or a Buddhist. You now deserve to be shunned.