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  "We don't venerate idols or images!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  how often did we as witnesses say something like this : "unlike members of false religion, who venerate or worship through statues or idols, we give our focus to jehovah!".

  members of religious groups focus their religious adoration via an image or statue.

  they do this in order to provide some sort of focus to their need to worship.. witnesses give extreme focus on the name "jehovah" .

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  pale.emperor

  What's next?

  Temple prostitutes?

  That might just being me back!
  
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  Jehovah (As Taught By JWs) Offers A Bum Deal

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought this during my wake up.

  if you think about it, jehovahs promise for the faithful is actually a bum deal.

  some would even say a con.

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  Actually, thinking on, even living a life following the borgs rule 100% still wouldn't guarantee you'd get through. It's only a hope remember.
  
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  "We don't venerate idols or images!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  how often did we as witnesses say something like this : "unlike members of false religion, who venerate or worship through statues or idols, we give our focus to jehovah!".

  members of religious groups focus their religious adoration via an image or statue.

  they do this in order to provide some sort of focus to their need to worship.. witnesses give extreme focus on the name "jehovah" .

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  pale.emperor

  "No, we dont have idols or symbols!"

  

  Where have i seen this before???

  
  
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  Two coins of little value? Ok! Sure (!)

  by purrpurr in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last thursday meeting was the verbal begging bowl item.

  in which having told the audience that wt doesn't ask for money... proceeded to then ask for money.. among the usual scriptures cited "honor god with your valuable things" etc was also the widows mite story "she dropped in two coins of little value..".

  and it occurred to me, two coins of little value in the uk would be two one penny coins!

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  I have long thought the WTS is green with envy when it views the Mormons & how they get away with enforced tithing.

  IMO, it's only a matter of time until the WTS implements some form of mandatory tithing. I suspect it will start with "appointed men" ("if you want to keep your 'privileges', cough up the dough") and then spread from there.

  I reckon tithing will come in "within our generation" (pun intended). But i think what will happen first is, there'll be a major schism and it'll be like Jehovah 2.0. Same bullshit, new can.
  
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  Meetings are boring

  by Akid48 in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  meetings are boring for young kids and old but i'm going to focus on young kids 5 or 8.. i think is unfair that young kids get punished for falling asleep or zoning out.. as meetings are not as boring but i have to go to school the next day and staying up till 10pm isn't the best i can't get out of going.. but think of the young kids that dont even understand most of the teachings.. i know most on the site are adults but i heard of adults falling asleep..

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  The meetings always were boring. I was born in and left age 31. And i NEVER sat through an entire meeting 100% focused. Most of the time i'd read my bible or something while the boring speaker is giving his boring talk. When tablets came in i even went on JWFacts.com on the KH wifi!

  The JWs would be better having childrens classes in the back room. That would actually make it more fun and interesting for them.
  

  It's great that you're waking up now at this young age, wish i did!
  
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  Jehovah (As Taught By JWs) Offers A Bum Deal

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i thought this during my wake up.

  if you think about it, jehovahs promise for the faithful is actually a bum deal.

  some would even say a con.

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  I thought this during my wake up. If you think about it, Jehovahs promise for the faithful is actually a bum deal. Some would even say a con. Think about it:

  You live a life denying carnal and/or material pleasures to preach and advertise WT. You're constantly on the watch for Armageddon, looking at world events through WT goggles and seeing everything as either persecution or fulfillment of prophecy. You're required to shun those you love who leave or commit some indiscretion that you aren't even told what it is, and isn't any of your business anyway. You forgo further education, put off your talents and hobbies and instead devote yourself to ministerial training school, pioneer school or some other school which could be abandoned at any time and you're not compensated or thanked for your service.
  

  You may die. But you must keep up all of this right up until death because if you slip at the very end your entire service has been for nought.

  And even if you do die and are resurrected, you dont even know if you'll be a eunuch in the new system or if you'll still be married or if you're even capable of love in that way. The first thousand years of your immortal life must be spent smashing up and cleaning up the buildings, disposing of corpses and preaching and teaching. Anthony Morris, Joseph Rutherford and Fred Franz are looking down on you from heaven ruling as kings and priests and most likely dictating what trousers we can wear, if we can have oral sex and how many hours body disposing are we to report on our slips?

  You know what this is like? A life insurance scam.
  
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  Evolution is a Fact #5 - Vitamin C

  by cofty in

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  2. beliefs

  part 1 - protein functional redundancypart 2 - dna functional redundancypart 3 - ervspart 4 - smelly genes.

  in part 4 we saw that roughly half of the 800 genes in the human genome that code for olfactory receptors are broken remnants of our evolutionary history.

  they were vital to our distant ancestors but in humans, as in our primate cousins they have been allowed to fall into disuse as our eyes became more important to our survival than our nose.

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  Evolution is a new and fascinating subject to me. I remember visiting the natural history museum in New York and not being able to explain away the skulls that clearly didnt belong to any modern human or gorilla or monkey.

  Interesting article cofty. Thanks.
  
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  Is there anything good JWs taught you still benefit from?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some years ago, i attended a jw wedding.

  marriage speaker said something which changed my life for the better, and it helps me even now.

  he told the couple: “the very make up of man and woman is such that conflicts can often arise between you.

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  Nothing you could have learned that is beneficial from being a JW that could not have been picked up in a 100 other places, books, TV show...

  If you go to college, by the way, you learn public speaking as well.

  I agree with you ttdtt. I think even if i wasnt raised a JW i would have studied the various belief systems out there anyway. And as for the public speaking, i think it just pushed me to do it at a relatively young age (10yo i think).
  
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  Is there anything good JWs taught you still benefit from?

  by venus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  some years ago, i attended a jw wedding.

  marriage speaker said something which changed my life for the better, and it helps me even now.

  he told the couple: “the very make up of man and woman is such that conflicts can often arise between you.

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  The only positive thing from my JW upbrinding is that i have a very good bible knowledge. Of course i regard it all as fiction now.

  And public speaking.
  
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  I'm so confused, help?

  by Ponyo in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  i want to share my story.

  (might be a tad long).

  i have no idea where i stand anymore regarding being a jw and where i stand in my marriage.. im 28 years old and the years are certainly ticking by.

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  what made you leave the organization?

  Go to JWFacts.com and read Crises of Conscience by former Governing Body memeber Ray Franz. He was disfellowshipped for eating a meal with a disassociated person because they couldn't get him on anything scriptural.
  

  Doesn't the Bible say his truth would be in the form of an organization?

  No?
  

  How else would the good news be preached?

  Many religions preach. Not just JWs. Also, the message JWs are preaching is vastly different from what Jesus preached. 1914? Armageddon? Vegetarian Lions playing with a beach ball?
  

  If you never had anything to begrudge about it why leave?

  Because it's not true! And it's a very controlling religion to be in, having to seek the approval of elders and COs and made to feel guilty for normal human desires and goals.

  But back to you... i can relate in some ways. I was in a loveless marriage for 7 years. Had one beautiful child. In my case, us splitting up was the best thing that ever happened. I felt zero loss or regret when she left me (for leaving the org). That's not the reaction of someone who love's his wife is it?

  The memories you have of your ex are candy coated. Sure, i've never met him, but our brains work that way. They remember the lovely, warm fuzzy things of our ex's and diminish anything that was bad. If you did leave your husband and get back with this guy it wont really match up to the fantasy version you have in your mind. Im not going to tell you what to do but if this guy has moved on and with with someone and has kids, are you comfortable breaking that up?