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  In memory of a lost doctrine - the vindication of Jehovah's name

  by slimboyfat in

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  i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.

  he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).

  he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.

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  It's hard to overstate how important the "vindication" doctrine was to JWs at one time.

  I was only 11yo at the time the the vindication teaching was dropped so i dont remember it being a big deal to me. But now that you mention it i remember as a family studying the Watchtower on Saturday evening and my dad getting exasperated at us kids not getting the point "WHY did Jesus come to earth?", we were making wild guesses trying to get the right answer and my sister suddenly shouted "to VINDICATE Jehovah's name!" and my dad said "Yes! Finally! haha".

  So it seems my dad still clung to the vindication angle. At least at that time.
  
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  In memory of a lost doctrine - the vindication of Jehovah's name

  by slimboyfat in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i start this thread in response to a comment by a jw apologist called simonsays on another thread.

  he claimed to have read all three volumes of vindication by rutherford (my sympathy if true).

  he further implied that it didn't matter that old jw literature said wrong and stupid things, saying:.

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  sanctify:

  verb

  set apart as or declare holy; consecrate.

  free from sin; purify.

  Wouldn't Jehovah's name already be "holy", "free from sin"and not needing to be "purified"?
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  Watchtower’s Annual Meeting Announces More Odd Decreases in Literature and Online Content

  by Disassociated Lady 2 in

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  2. beliefs

  this post was published today, some strange changes within jw.org.

  https://jwvictims.org/2017/10/08/watchtowers-annual-meeting-announces-more-odd-decreases-in-literature-and-online-content/.

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  YESSSSSSS!!

  This has made my year. Watchtower is in panic mode. This is the business equivalent of a body shutting down its organs as it fights to survive. I know what comes next, heart failure, brain death then flatline.......................
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  GB Private Gazebo @ Warwick - Someone Proposed There & It Didn't Go Well...

  by thedepressedsoul in

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  at warwick there is a gazebo overlooking the lake.

  it's a nice peaceful setting.

  well someone had the bright idea they were going to propose while they were at warwick.

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  Maybe I'm confused here but who's funds paid for that gazebo?
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  At the annual meeting right now . . .

  by neat blue dog in

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  2. beliefs

  i'm at the recorded meeting right now.

  trying to hide my disgust sitting up front listening to geoffrey jackson quibble about the pharisaical minutai of sanctification vs. vindication.

  the audience is thrilled that they now have 'permission' to say god's name can be vindicated.

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  Can somebody explain to me what the sanctification/vindication thing is all about please?

  I'm a Born in, left at age 31 and this is new to me.
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  For ELDERS: Kingdom Ministry School for the 2018 Service Year (Picture)

  by pixel in

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  i know wifibandit will post the pdf soon, this is just a snack for you guys and girls.... .

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  It seems that Jehovah doesnt understand how the human brain works or how we learn. Studies show* we retain more information when we study in 20min bursts, have a 5min break doing something fun, then another 20min learning etc etc.

  Look at the length of those talks without a break. No wonder we all fell asleep in those conventions.

  *https://library.med.utah.edu/WebPath/TUTORIAL/LEARN/LEARN17.html
  
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  "We don't venerate idols or images!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  how often did we as witnesses say something like this : "unlike members of false religion, who venerate or worship through statues or idols, we give our focus to jehovah!".

  members of religious groups focus their religious adoration via an image or statue.

  they do this in order to provide some sort of focus to their need to worship.. witnesses give extreme focus on the name "jehovah" .

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  What's next?

  Temple prostitutes?

  That might just being me back!
  
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  Jehovah (As Taught By JWs) Offers A Bum Deal

  by pale.emperor in

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  i thought this during my wake up.

  if you think about it, jehovahs promise for the faithful is actually a bum deal.

  some would even say a con.

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  Actually, thinking on, even living a life following the borgs rule 100% still wouldn't guarantee you'd get through. It's only a hope remember.
  
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  "We don't venerate idols or images!"

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. beliefs

  how often did we as witnesses say something like this : "unlike members of false religion, who venerate or worship through statues or idols, we give our focus to jehovah!".

  members of religious groups focus their religious adoration via an image or statue.

  they do this in order to provide some sort of focus to their need to worship.. witnesses give extreme focus on the name "jehovah" .

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  "No, we dont have idols or symbols!"

  

  Where have i seen this before???

  
  
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  Two coins of little value? Ok! Sure (!)

  by purrpurr in

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  2. beliefs

  last thursday meeting was the verbal begging bowl item.

  in which having told the audience that wt doesn't ask for money... proceeded to then ask for money.. among the usual scriptures cited "honor god with your valuable things" etc was also the widows mite story "she dropped in two coins of little value..".

  and it occurred to me, two coins of little value in the uk would be two one penny coins!

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  I have long thought the WTS is green with envy when it views the Mormons & how they get away with enforced tithing.

  IMO, it's only a matter of time until the WTS implements some form of mandatory tithing. I suspect it will start with "appointed men" ("if you want to keep your 'privileges', cough up the dough") and then spread from there.

  I reckon tithing will come in "within our generation" (pun intended). But i think what will happen first is, there'll be a major schism and it'll be like Jehovah 2.0. Same bullshit, new can.