Posts by pale.emperor

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So there are only 12 magazines left!

by stuckinarut2 in

ok, so hot on the heels of the announcement at the agm, we have been told that there are probably only 12 magazines left!.

yes, there will be only 3 wt each year, and 3 awakes.... and that they will do this for two years, then reprint those issues.... so yes, the "abundance of spiritual food" is limited to 12 more magazines..... surely, this is proof of the end coming so soon!?!

😉.

pale.emperor

Sorrry WTWizard, i downvoted by mistake. Upvoted you as well tho.

3 mags of each a year. Thats pitiful. Inside 10 years it'll all be PDF downloads.

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Update on the $4000 day fine - Padron v Watchtower

by berrygerry in

from reddit:.

this was an oral argument to dismiss the $4000/day fine.

both sides presented their arguments and now the judges will write an opinion (30 to 90 days).

pale.emperor

Watchtower keeps contending that it doesn’t have control of CCJW (Christian Congregation of JWs) or custody of the documents because CCJW is a separate corporation.

I had to re-read that sentence about 4 times, surely i was wrong... wasn't i? Watchtower has no control over the congregations? This will come as a great surprise to my JW family.

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Are JWs the worst restaurant customers?

by Alfred in

jw
friends

(a little background info before i ask my question...).

my sister-in-law (non-jw), who manages a popular chain restaurant near a kingdom hall, just found out that my wife and i have recently faded, so she decided to get something off her chest the other day... you guessed it: she wanted us to know that jws are the worst customers ever!

she then told us some really embarrassing stories about how jws would request a table for 15 to 20 people (after a sunday meeting) and then (when the bill came) some of the jws would start deliberating amongst themselves on whether or not the waiter was diligent or not (to justify the low tip he was getting anyway).

pale.emperor

My worse restaurant experience as a JW was only about 2 years ago. One of our friends was getting married in a few days so about 30 of us got a table at a fancy Indian restaurant. We order food, drinks etc. Bill comes and we call decide to pay for the groom-to-be... except one guy doesn't want to chip in for the groom-to-be. Then, seeing as we'd each had the same amount of drinks each albeit different brands, we just decide to split the bill between 29 of us (that's all of us minus the groom). The same guy protests saying he didn't drink alcohol, only lemonade.

The waiters standing there waiting for someone to pay him. Then comes the best bit, half of them want to pay by card. So there's 29 of us forming a long cue with menus in our hands remembering what we've ordered and paying individually by cash or card. The poor waiter trying to add all this up on his iPhone calculator.

So 28 of us paid for our own food, plus the cost of the grooms food divided by 28. While the other guy his paying for just his naan bread, chicken bhuna and 2 lemonades.

When the bill's settled someone says "what about the tip?" so muggings here ends up forking out the tip because i cant stand the embarrassment any longer.

I vowed then and there i'll NEVER go to a restaurant with JWs again.

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October 1, 2017 TO ALL BOE IN NIGERIA Re: Local Needs For the Week of October 16-22

by wifibandit in

october 1, 2017 to all bodies of elders in nigeria re: local needs for the week of october 16-22.

pale.emperor

We all regularly set aside money for school fees, food, rent and other necessities. How much more important it is to do so for kingdom interests.

Seriously? Contributing to the Borg is more important than food and school fee's? In Nigeria?!!

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"Life For Ruth" McGoohan Film About Blood Transfusion 1962

by cabasilas in

i saw this film many long years ago under a different title.

in america it was released about 1965 as "walk in the shadows.

" it's one of patrick mcgoohan's (the prisoner) early films.

pale.emperor

Oh wow! Just watched this movie now. Remarkably accurate (for the time) and well made. A must watch for all of us.

If only todays JWs would watch it.

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Watchtower policies Versus the Bible

by UnshackleTheChains in

i thought i would run a new kind of topic.

watchtower policies versus the bible .

to start off with.

pale.emperor

A judicial committee takes place behind closed doors. With no representation for the accused. No witnesses allowed. And the three elders act as judge, jury and executioner.

And yet, in Watchtower April 1st, 2011:

The Law that Moses delivered to Israel has been called “the greatest and most enlightened system of jurisprudence ever promulgated.” By Jesus’ day, however, legalistically minded rabbis had added to it a mass of extra-Biblical rules, many of which were later recorded in the Talmud. How did Jesus’ trial measure up to these Biblical and extra-Biblical criteria?

According to the Mosaic Law, trials were to be held in public. (Deuteronomy 16:18; Ruth 4:1) This, on the other hand, was a secret trial. No one attempted to or was allowed to speak in Jesus’ favor. No examination was made of the merits of Jesus’ claim to Messiahship. Jesus had no opportunity to summon witnesses for his defense. There was no orderly voting among the judges as to guilt or innocence.

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Who has a harder time leaving JW's - Born Ins or those who converted?

by HeyLittleGirl in

my freind (who is also out) and i were talking about this the other night.

i was a born-in, 3rd generation jw and she converted when she was in her late 20's.. when she left, she said that she knew the world wasn't as bad as she was told as a jw, so she knew she would be fine.

also, she still had lots of "worldly" family who welcomed her back with open arms.. it was harder for me - i had nobody in the "world", no family or freinds.

pale.emperor

As a 2nd generation born-in with every-single-member-of-my-family a JW (yes, parents, siblings, cousins, nieces, nephews etc) i'd say its definitely harder for born ins.

Remember, us born ins have tainted memories. Those times as a kid were full of JW things that were just normal to us. Waking up on 25th Dec as a normal day, doing normal things. Going to JW parties and an elder giving a prayer even if it was at a hired venue. Looking at outsiders with distrust and a little fear. And there are happy memories we have from our childhood that, unfortunately, Watchtower invaded upon such as weddings and anniversarys, holidays with family (mine would still visit the KH on holiday!). School plays which we were excluded from because it might have been the nativity, or had a hymn in there somewhere, our non JW friends we only saw at school (never outside of school).

I never knew normal until i left. I envied the real world for so long and now im actually in it i feel so lucky but sad for those JWs who arnt living the real life outside the Watchtower cage.

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The great tribulation is now coming VERY soon!

by The Searcher in

watchtower october 2017, par 11, page 28 - "very soon the political powers of satan’s world will form a coalition that is bent on the destruction of god’s people.

's] have anything to fear?

not at all!........at that critical moment during the great tribulation, the angelic soldiers of jehovah of armies will come together to protect god’s people..."[j.w.

pale.emperor

Im sure i've read this very line many times over the years.

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Apostacy - The Movie Review

by pale.emperor in

cannot wait to see this.

is it going to be in regular cinemas?

i love the fact that the guardian newspaper, the same paper that exposed their un involvement, are the ones reviewing this.. p.s.

pale.emperor

Why?
I understand the external shots are a real KH, as the Guardian reviews says - they location scouted a KH that had recently been sold, and therefore dealt with the new owners for using it for filming - that's kinda what movie location scouts do

Thanks darkspilver. I'll consider myself told.

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Apostacy - The Movie Review

by pale.emperor in

cannot wait to see this.

is it going to be in regular cinemas?

i love the fact that the guardian newspaper, the same paper that exposed their un involvement, are the ones reviewing this.. p.s.

pale.emperor

Cannot wait to see this. Is it going to be in regular cinemas? I love the fact that The Guardian newspaper, the same paper that exposed their UN involvement, are the ones reviewing this.

P.S. There's no way they used real KH to film this.

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2017/oct/09/apostasy-review-daniel-kokotajlo-jehovahs-witnesses

Here is an utterly absorbing and accomplished debut feature from writer-director Daniel Kokotajlo, known before this for his well-regarded short films Myra and The Mess Hall of an Online Warrior. Apostasy combines subtlety and sensitivity with real emotional power. It also packs a sledgehammer narrative punch two-thirds in, after which life in the film carries on with eerie quietness as usual, while we, the audience, have no choice but to go into a state of shock. It shows that Kokotajlo can really do something so many new British film-makers can’t or won’t: tell a story.

The film is set among a community of Jehovah’s Witnesses in Oldham in north-west England. Kokotajlo grew up in a Jehovah’s Witness family before leaving the faith while at college, and his writing – detached but calmly observant and sympathetic – is evidently based on a real knowledge of this culture, invisible to outsiders. He has apparently used the JW meeting hall in Oldham for the film: the building’s exterior, at any rate. I have to say that Apostasy exposes the slightly preposterous drama of Richard Eyre’s new film The Children Act, with a similar plotline about Jehovah’s Witnesses, based on the Ian McEwan novel. Apostasy is more knowledgeable, less excitable.
Siobhan Finneran plays Ivanna, a middle-aged woman firmly in the Jehovah’s Witness faith: a world in which failure to believe, or to avoid unbelievers, can get you shunned or “disfellowshipped”. She has two teenage daughters: the older Luisa (Sacha Parkinson) is at college and the younger Alex (Molly Wright) is still in school. Both live at home, of course. As to the girls’ father, Kokotajlo leaves that as the great unmentioned subject: whether alive or dead, his past behaviour and current absence is a potent, silent countercurrent to the drama.
Ivanna is concerned about the bad influences Luisa will encounter at college: people of no faith or, even worse, the wrong faith. (She dismisses Catholicism as “wishy-washy”.) Her fears are well founded. Luisa has an unbelieving boyfriend by whom she has got pregnant and her excommunication (to borrow the wishy-washy term) is inevitable. Meanwhile, delicate, shy, clever Alex is very flattered when a young man, an up-and-coming elder in the JW faith, introduces himself to her and her mother at the weekly meeting and asks them both to supper: this is Steven, played by Robert Emms. Alex sees perfectly well how the match is being made by her mother, in concert with the church, so that she will not go down the same route as her sister, and, concerned as she is for Luisa, this responsibility cements her already deeply committed attachment to the orthodoxy. Family tensions become unbearable.
The performances of Finneran, Wright and Parkinson are tremendous and all the more moving for their restraint. Kokotajlo’s direction is lucid and direct. With cinematographer Adam Scarth (who also shot the recent Daphne), he conjures an undramatic world of cloudy days and dull workplaces, kitchens, front rooms. The women’s faces are captured mostly in intimate closeup. Parkinson’s simmering anger as Luisa is almost unwatchably painful, because her rebellion is always tempered by a need not to upset her mother; Wright’s gentleness and tenderness in the role of Alex is heartbreaking.
Finneran’s Ivanna is the most mysterious of all. She is a world away from, say, Geraldine McEwan’s religious matriarch in the BBC TV adaptation of Jeanette Winterson’s Oranges Are Not the Only Fruit in 1989. There is no righteous hysteria, no rage, just an utterly serene contentment with the worldview she has grown up with, and the inevitability of the “new system” that will come into being after this current world has come to an end. But Ivanna’s faith is severely tested, and there is a brilliant scene in which Kokotajlo comes in for another key closeup on Ivanna undergoing a silent dark moment of the soul in the midst of a prayer meeting. With the tiniest flinches and winces, Finneran conveys Ivanna’s suppressed turmoil, before she stumbles out to the lavatory to find the elder’s voice has been piped in there too, via the PA system. The word of God is omnipresent. Apostasy is a supremely intelligent and gripping drama.