Posts by pale.emperor

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Fasten Your Seatbelts - The Crazy Has Started (Also, bring the Koolaid)

by berrygerry in

from facebook:just saw my jw mother after not seeing her for more than 2 years.

when i do see her, it is brief, she never asks about my life, doesn't ask about my 4 children her grandchildren, doesn't ask about my grandchildren...her great grandchildren, she doesn't ask about my other 2 brothers that she is also alienated from, she doesn't ask about my brothers family.

she doesn't talk about the jw/org either.

pale.emperor

Coincidentally, look what was posted in the comments of one of my YouTube videos:

(LETS GET THE SHOW ON THE ROAD, FOR EVERY COMMENT OR RESPONSE I GET, THIS MESSAGE WILL GET RE-PASTED) SO IT'S YOUR CALL ON HOW MANY TIMES YOU WANT THIS WARNING TO APPEAR. THESE ROTTING SNAKE APOSTATE MESSENGERS ARE HATERS TO THE MOST EXTENT, THIER FATHER SATAN AND ALL OF HIS FOLLOWERS ATTACK JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION SO MUCH MORE THAN ANY OTHER RELIGION INCLUDING MORMONS WHY????? BECAUSE JW'S HAVE THE TRUTH, WHY WOULD SATAN AND HIS APOSTATES WASTE THEIR TIME ATTACKING A FALSE FAITH THAT SATAN ALREADY HAS CONTROL OVER? A NO BRAINIER JEHOVAH'S VENGEANCE AND WRATH WILL COME DOWN SO MUCH HARDER ON APOSTATES THAN THE REST OF THE WORLD,,, MARK MY WORDS DEUTERONOMY 32:35 IN DUE TIME JEHOVAH WILL PULL THE BREATH OF LIFE IN HEBREW WORD (RUA) (PSALMS 146:4) FOR ALL ETERNITY,,, YOUR BODIES ARE ROTTING AND CELLS ARE DEFORMING EVERY DAY THAT PASSES BECAUSE YOU ARE MADE UP OF SINFUL FLESH AND BONE,,, COVERED ONLY BY OLD RAGS,,, YOUR MOCKING LAUGHTER IS NOT GOING TO SAVE YOU, TIC TOC TIME RUNS OUT BY THE MINUTE, THE BREATHS ARE COUNTED AND ONE LESS BREATH OF LIFE, EVERY TIME YOU BREATH, ETERNAL NON EXSITENCE IS NOT IF, BUT WHEN. JEHOVAH GOD WILL BRING VENGEANCE SOON JUST AS YOUR FATHER SATAN ( JOHN 8:44) IS SO PATIONATE IN ATTACKING JEHOVAH AND HIS ORGANIZATION,,, I AND WE ALSO VERY PATIONATE TO DEFEND IT IN AS MANY TIMES AS WE HAVE TO, AND YES I AM NOT ABOUT TO RETYPE THIS WARNING EVERY TIME. IV'E NOTICE THAT OPOSTATES LAUGHTER SOUND VERY DEMONIC, IT'S NO SURPRISE THAT THE LAUGHTER IS FAKE AND DEMONIC, BECAUSE YOU HAVE INHERITED YOUR FATHERS TRAITS (JOHN 8:44), but don't fool yourselves, even though you are making your father Satan proud for OBEYING HIS COMMAND, he also wishes ALL APOSTATES were ALREADY dead why? because THEY have already proven unfaithful TO JEHOVAH, AND SATAN KNOWS AT THIS POINT THEY HAVE NO HOPE OF RESURRECTION, BUT ON THE OTHER HAND those that continue to maintain faithfulness,,,,, he Satan does not want them to die until he takes them with him, IF A SERVANT DIES FAITHFULL, HE OR SHE will return in the TIME OF resurrection, AND BY THE WAY YOU AND ALL OF YOUR FOLLOWERS are selfish, REBELIOUS arrogant, revengeful, hateful, AND MOCKERS TO SAY THE LEAST. IF ANY OF YOU, OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS GET STRUCK WITH A TERMINAL ILLNESS, heart attack or an unforeseen accident A CONDITION OF eternal nonexistence will follow. The bible gives a historical fact of children that were mocking a servant of God, JUST BECAUSE OF HIS BALDNESS and were ripped apart by a large bear (2 kings 2:23,24), at the special talk for October 2017 live from Warwick, The governing body made adjustments on how the preach work will take place starting Jan 1 2018, and that is because the apparent situation that is going on with North Korea, natural disasters, EARTH QUAKES NOW HITTING IRAQ AND IRAN FOR THE FIRST TIME, MASS KILLINGS, just to mention a few, NO TIME TO WASTE WITH PEOPLE THAT JUST DON'T TAKE FURTHER STEPS FOR BAPBTISM the great tribulation is just around the corner with Armageddon to follow. YOU APOSTATES DO NOT TEACH ME ANYTHIN NEW,, I HAVE BEEN A GREEK AND HEBREW SCHOLAR AND GREEK TEACHER FOR OVER 30 YEARS, and based on the original Greek I have researched, you AND YOUR adversaries are dead wrong, Jehovah's organization IS THE ONLY TRUE RELIGION, AND JEHOVAH IS THE ONLY TRUE GOD AND YOU AND YOUR FELLOW APOSTATES ARE THE POISONOUS DESCENDANTS OF THE WICKED ONE. EVEN WORLDLY UNBELIEVERS DO NOT REFLECT AS MUCH HATRED TOWARDS JEHOVAH'S WITTNESSES AS YOU, BUT AGAIN YOU HAVE LEARNED YOUR FATHER TRAITS. ONE CLARIFICATION IS THAT NOTHING FRIGHTENS JEHOVAH'S ORGANIZATION,, FOR THOSE FRIENDS AND THE CUROIUS : PLEASE REFLECT AND RETRACT FROM IN TAKING POISONOUS MESSAGES FROM THESE ROTTING SNAKES( ECESIASTICS 3:19,20) (PLEASE DO NOT LISTEN TO APOSTATES) WARNING: DO NOT DONATE MONEY TO THESE DESTRUCTIVE OFFSPRINGS OF THE DEVIL HIMSELF, THEY HAVE BECOME PROCLAIMED ADVERSARIES OF OUR CREATER JEHOVAH, THEIR ETERNAL DESTRUCTION IS AT HAND BY JEHOVAH'S WRATH, OR YOU WOULD BE PARTAKING AND REAPING THE SAME FINAL CONSEQUENCES

Crazy! There's one in every congregation.

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People Asking Me To Help Them Leave

by pale.emperor in

i dont know if it's due to the last convention, the recent broadcasts, the internet or just plain fatigue - but since the convention i've had a few people contact me via facebook messenger asking how i am then cutting to the chase asking me what it's like "on the outside" or "how did you adjust after leaving?

" and asking me how they can leave the wt but keep their families.. my reply is always the same, i show real genuine interest and concern and listen to their situation.

then i suggest a fade, how to fade, to ignore or reject elders visits, to not talk about their doubts to active jws under any circumstances and finally point them to this site.

pale.emperor

Thanks guys.

I also make a point of messing with JW loaded language. For instance, instead of saying "the world" i say "the real world". Instead of "the truth" i say "the religion".

It's surprises me how many exJWs i meet who still use the term "the truth" when talking about Watchtower. They know it isnt true but that term has stuck.

I also never use the New World Bastardization if i ever have to use a bible. I refer them to a real one like the NIV.

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People Asking Me To Help Them Leave

by pale.emperor in

i dont know if it's due to the last convention, the recent broadcasts, the internet or just plain fatigue - but since the convention i've had a few people contact me via facebook messenger asking how i am then cutting to the chase asking me what it's like "on the outside" or "how did you adjust after leaving?

" and asking me how they can leave the wt but keep their families.. my reply is always the same, i show real genuine interest and concern and listen to their situation.

then i suggest a fade, how to fade, to ignore or reject elders visits, to not talk about their doubts to active jws under any circumstances and finally point them to this site.

pale.emperor

Thanks Still Totally ADD.

I think they open up to me because they know there's zero chance of my ratting them out. I'd rather shoot myself in the face than return to Watchtower, and i dont want anyone to be JWs so i have no hidden agenda. My goal is to help them leave and beat the Watchtower Society at their own game by playing the elders rulebook.

What i do find is, all of them start explaining themselves to me. Like why they're doing this or that thing and "it was only 1 cigarette, honest" and im like "you dont answer to me. Stop explaining yourself"

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People Asking Me To Help Them Leave

by pale.emperor in

i dont know if it's due to the last convention, the recent broadcasts, the internet or just plain fatigue - but since the convention i've had a few people contact me via facebook messenger asking how i am then cutting to the chase asking me what it's like "on the outside" or "how did you adjust after leaving?

" and asking me how they can leave the wt but keep their families.. my reply is always the same, i show real genuine interest and concern and listen to their situation.

then i suggest a fade, how to fade, to ignore or reject elders visits, to not talk about their doubts to active jws under any circumstances and finally point them to this site.

pale.emperor

I dont know if it's due to the last convention, the recent broadcasts, the internet or just plain fatigue - but since the convention i've had a few people contact me via Facebook messenger asking how i am then cutting to the chase asking me what it's like "on the outside" or "how did you adjust after leaving?" and asking me how they can leave the WT but keep their families.

My reply is always the same, i show real genuine interest and concern and listen to their situation. Then i suggest a fade, how to fade, to ignore or reject elders visits, to not talk about their doubts to active JWs under any circumstances and finally point them to this site. I even have a folder on my laptop with Shepherd The Flock Of God and Crises Of Conscience in there, ready to email them a copy to read.

Since 1st Nov i've had two more. One is an active member of my old congregation who is fully awake (PIMO). After talking to him for a good while on the phone he said:

"But... if i leave, i lose everything." which is true. His wife is a full-time pioneer, his kids are best friends with elders kids, his family is in "the clique", he's being groomed to be an elder by his elder buddies, he's self employed and the majority of his customers are JW.

How sad that simply leaving a group that he doesn't agree with means his life would be destroyed.

Another person, a girl, even turned up at my door. Her dad in an elder and her problem is if she stops going to the meetings he'll know because they're in the same congregation. She's already secretly dating someone, the man she's dating is a Born Again Christian, so no worries about sex before marriage there. I'm not sure of the exact rule here, but i told her that she could argue that "marrying in the Lord" would apply here because he believes in Jesus wholeheartedly. Anyway, i told her if she does date him publicly she should expect elders visits, judgemental people and interference. She doesn't believe the religion but believes in God. My advice to her was to switch congregation then fade. But she reminded me that her dad is an elder and if she stops going he'll shun her. I know her dad, and she's right, he would.

As she was leaving (by the back door which leads onto a quiet street) she joked that if JWs saw her leaving my house alone they'd assume we'd had sex. I laughed and reminded her that, yes, that's true. And yet in the real world we're perfectly capable of meeting people of the opposite sex without ripping our clothes off. It's the Watchtower Society that's obsessed with sex.

What a sorry situation. The religion they were baptized into doesn't even exist. The "new light" has changed the contract as far as im concerned. Overlapping generation? I never signed up to that back in 2004 when i was dunked.

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How many faithful old JW`s are now living in Christendoms retirement homes not being cared for by the religion they gave their life for.

by smiddy3 in

jw
friends

it must be pointed out in favour of christendoms religions that they do not discriminate against people regarding their religious beliefs.

many old age jehovah`s witnesses are residents of christendoms age care homes.. isn`t this a conunudrum ?

they, jw`s condemn christendom as part of the world empire of false religion and they cast off their old faithful members to their enemy christendom , to look after them without lifting a finger themselves.. in the meantime they are raking in millions of dollars $$$$ in selling off real estate properties in new york and elsewhere around the world.

pale.emperor

My ex-wife worked in a Jah-Jireh care home (i've written about this on a previous thread). The horror stories she could tell. And whenever i met Jah-Jireh staff when i went to pick her up from work sometimes, they were always weird/misfits that have no experience or real qualifications to work in a care home.

The qualified JW nurses that worked there were thanks to those JWs that ignored the GB back in the day and went to University anyway.

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Fasten Your Seatbelts - The Crazy Has Started (Also, bring the Koolaid)

by berrygerry in

from facebook:just saw my jw mother after not seeing her for more than 2 years.

when i do see her, it is brief, she never asks about my life, doesn't ask about my 4 children her grandchildren, doesn't ask about my grandchildren...her great grandchildren, she doesn't ask about my other 2 brothers that she is also alienated from, she doesn't ask about my brothers family.

she doesn't talk about the jw/org either.

pale.emperor

I think she's latched on to Jan 1st because that's when the new magazine editions start. Some seem to have misinterpreted what was actually said (cutbacks, reduced magazines, focusing on interested people only) to them changing their message to one of warning.

This will have hilarious results. Cant wait to see what happens.

I mean, it's not as if the Watchtower leaders are getting senile or anything...

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Is it really possible to disprove the Watchtower?

by Coded Logic in

dear brothers and sisters,.

considering the end is so near at hand we thought it important for to reiterate that it's absolutely impossible to prove god's "one true organisation" wrong.

there is nothing on heaven or earth that could ever be shown to be false or incorrect in our entire .

pale.emperor

I once gave a talk from the platform that said "what's right for one time, may not be right for another time". I used this line of reasoning to gloss over the issues of stoning, slavery, polygamy and "perceived" failed predictions.

Yes, i was that brainwashed.

However, at the same time id criticize other religions for doing the same thing.

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Was It Really Mental Illness or Was It The Demons?

by minimus in

jw
friends

we supposedly had more than a few “demonized” people in our congregation.

they would hear voices or feel internal punishment within their souls.

the answer was always—-these people were affected by the demons and they needed counseling!.

pale.emperor

I used to love hearing demon stories. They were always happening to "a friends mother" or "my mothers, cousins, aunt" never a first person account.

My sister claimed she saw a demon on two occasions. Funny thing is she never mentioned it until i claimed that demons dont exist. Then my older brother often told the elders that he heard voices and saw demons all the time. One time they even told him who would win the Eurovision song contest. I mean, all that power and knowledge and they giving my brother the Eurovision results. Sure, it was within the last 2 minutes when Finland were 20 points clear but still...

The elders and my family lapped it up. Here was conclusive proof that the demons did in fact exist, and therefore God must exist too.

The fact that a year later my brother was diagnosed as a paranoid schizophrenic didn't seem to change the mind at all on the matter.

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"Slaving For Jehovah Is Great, Because Your Life Won't Go Wrong." Sigh...

by Sorry in

granted, i'm a pimo status, so i normally just play on my cell phone and ignore everything during meetings and assemblies.

but at the assembly this past weekend, my ears were pricked for two experiences of two sisters dedicating themselves to pioneering.

this was probably because i was extremely freaked out by both of them.

pale.emperor

"So I decided to be Jehovah's slave. And honestly, that's the best slave we should be. Something we all should aspire to. There's happiness being his little obedient slaves."

Huh? Has she actually read the bible?

However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way. (Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)

If you buy a Hebrew slave, he is to serve for only six years. Set him free in the seventh year, and he will owe you nothing for his freedom. If he was single when he became your slave and then married afterward, only he will go free in the seventh year. But if he was married before he became a slave, then his wife will be freed with him. If his master gave him a wife while he was a slave, and they had sons or daughters, then the man will be free in the seventh year, but his wife and children will still belong to his master. But the slave may plainly declare, ‘I love my master, my wife, and my children. I would rather not go free.’ If he does this, his master must present him before God. Then his master must take him to the door and publicly pierce his ear with an awl. After that, the slave will belong to his master forever. (Exodus 21:2-6 NLT)

Notice how they can get a male Hebrew slave to become a permanent slave by keeping his wife and children hostage until he says he wants to become a permanent slave. Sound familiar? (cough-disfellowshipping-cough)

When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl’s owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment. (Exodus 21:7-11 NLT)

There you go. You can buy as many sex slaves as you want as long as you feed, clothe and have sex with them.

When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property. (Exodus 21:20-21 NAB)

"Oh but that's the Old Testament" the smug JW might say... here's some zingers from the New Testament:

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ. (Ephesians 6:5 NLT)

Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them. (1 Timothy 6:1-2 NLT)

This Jehovah doesn't sound like the kind of master i'd want.

[I refuse to quote from the New World Bastardization]

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Hoping I can stay

by allyson in

i started studying with witnesses about 21 months ago.

started going to meetings in march 2017, went to the memorial and attended my first convention.

i love it.

pale.emperor

Leave now while you still have your dignity. DO NOT discuss these matters with Elders. They have no right imposing themselves into your privacy.

Stickinarut2 is right, the elders have no control over you as an unbaptized person. If you're drawn to this religion because you think it's "nice" then you're not in the right religion. JWs do that to draw you in to hope you get baptized. It's not like that once you're a member.

If you're drawn to it because you think it's "the truth" then that's another matter. But, clearly, you dont think it's true in all aspects because they dont accept you as a trans person.