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  If your cat catches a mouse, . . .

  by compound complex in

  1. social
  2. humour

  take it away, bleed it, give it back.. reading about the gingerbread man reminded me of this:.

  how irrational the society could be was experienced by the sister-in-law of ex-bethelite william (bill) cetnar when .... at the suggestion of her veterinarian, she had a blood transfusion given to her poodle to prolong its life.

  she couldn't believe bill [cetnar]when he told her that the society would say she had violated god's law.

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  Yh, i guess that means that cat wont get a resurrection... ???

  Jesus died for the sins of cats and racoons too?
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  Pacifism is Morally Indefensible

  by cofty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i have been surprised recently to see so much support by ex-jws for the watchtower's refusal to fight and kill.

  in my opinion it is a vice masquerading as a virtue.

  of course war should always be a last resort but there are occasions that it has to be done.

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  Couldnt agree more cofty.

  When i first left i still believed in not getting involved in wars. It was an ex army officer from America that changed my mind with a few sentences. I can still remember what he said to me as it had a massive effect on me:

  Your mother probably told you that violence doesn't solve anything. But violence stopped Nazism. Have you ever met a Nazi? Im not talking some skin-head, tattooed punk, but an actual member of the Einzatsgruppen who went out and killed old people, the disabled, children, babies, sawn the heads off Jewish men in the street? I have.

  Violence is a tool, a weapon. And like any tool it's to be used at the proper time to the proper degree. Some people cant be trusted with tools. And if left unchecked who knows what they'll do? Nobody wants war. But when somebody brings a war to you, you can either lie down and die or fight to protect yourself and your loved ones. I know which i'd choose.

  And that was that.
  
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  if pre 1975 you said "The system will still be here late 2017" what would be the J.W's reaction?

  by karter in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  one word for it.....apostate!

  !.

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  It's the equivalent of saying this system will still be here in 2059. Most JWs would scoff at this idea.

  I'll be 75 years old. If i'm still alive i'll be looking for some JWs in their carts asking why the big A hasn't come.
  
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  Work Colleague Went To a JW Funeral - His Experience

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so the guy in my office on the desk next to me has just got back from the funeral of his wifes sister.

  this was his first time in a kh and full on exposure to jwdom.. bit of background: the deceased jw was not a born in, she was a convert when she was in her teens.

  she died last week at the age of 82. the poor old dear was still zealously knocking on doors while in ill health.

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  I remember being on the sound desk for a funeral. Some big-shot elder that everyone who wasn't in his clique remembered as being a massive c*nt. He wasn't even in our congregation but we held the funeral there because our KH was a nicer building.

  The widow handed me a cassette tape and asked me to record the talk. Which i found odd, and also this was 2008 and we didn't use cassette players in the KH anymore, we used CDs or mp3.

  I tried to explain but she just kept holding it out to me, and saying "oh, go on, just record it" and her son (an elder) appeared and commanded that i record the talk.

  We dont have a cassette player!

  He insisted that i take the tape and record it.

  So i just took the tape, did the sound as normal, and handed them back a blank tape.

  Never did learn what happened after that.

  But what made me chuckle inside during the talk was that the speaker said the following about him:

  "Yes, he was a hard man. But Jehovah's holy spirit appointed him as an elder. And what a fine elder he was. As Presiding Overseer no brother in our congregation wore pink ties, the sisters kept their nails trimmed and his boys were all appointed as elders. All seven of them".

  Sounds like a dictatorship.

  I said to my then-wife next to me "isn't nepotism is a funny thing?"
  
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  Strange

  by Jrjw in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  a couple of times at the meetings this year we've been told that in the future we might get some strange directions from the society that might not make any sense to us.

  then they've said will we show our loyalty to jehovah by still obeying?

  seems a rather unusual thing to say.

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  I have family members that would not only drink the kool aid, but would dish it out too and lick the spoon afterwards.
  
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  Work Colleague Went To a JW Funeral - His Experience

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so the guy in my office on the desk next to me has just got back from the funeral of his wifes sister.

  this was his first time in a kh and full on exposure to jwdom.. bit of background: the deceased jw was not a born in, she was a convert when she was in her teens.

  she died last week at the age of 82. the poor old dear was still zealously knocking on doors while in ill health.

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  What a complete disrespect to the person who died - to use someone's death as an "opportunity" to witness. Is nothing sacred to these people?
  

  Who else remembers the When Someone You Love Dies brochure being released at the convention? It was announced as something to always have in your ministry bag for when you meet a greiving relative.

  Sick cult.

  Personally, when someone loses someone in death i don't talk about any afterlife or "hope" but instead of the person, and the memories we have of them.
  
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  Unprivileged

  by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something just dawned on me today as i processed my assimilation into the real world (thanks to our new poster, @jester, giving me a major throwback to my first post).. when you're a jehovah's witness, you really are in some sort of la la land.

  things which are perfectly normal are acts of eating from the table of the demons.

  things which are horribly grotesque and extremely unjust are branded as "righteousness".

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  @pale.emperor You know how you disarm JWs with their jargon by calling it "the religion" instead of "the Truth"? From here on out, we should start referring to these so-called "privileges" as "rights".

  Haha! that's brilliant, i think i'll start doing that as well.

  So far i've used these alternative words, it interrupts their thought pattern:

  The truth - the religion

  The world - the real world
  

  Apostates - former members

  Disfellowshipped - excommunicated (they dont like the Catholic connotation)

  The Governing Body - your leaders

  Armageddon - The mass genocide

  Paradise - post genocide world

  A great way to run their brains into a confusing loop is to ask about "new light".

  "So what you had before this new light came out wasn't the truth then?"

  "So before this new light was announced, if you believed it already before the GB did you were an apostate? But now you can believe it because the GB got the memo after you did?"

  "How do you know it's new light and not apostasy from the GB?"

  Read Galatians 1:8 "So did Paul already believe in 1914 and an overlapping Generation?"
  

  Stick to the subject and dont let them change it. They give up.
  
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  Unprivileged

  by Wake Me Up Before You Jo-Ho in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  something just dawned on me today as i processed my assimilation into the real world (thanks to our new poster, @jester, giving me a major throwback to my first post).. when you're a jehovah's witness, you really are in some sort of la la land.

  things which are perfectly normal are acts of eating from the table of the demons.

  things which are horribly grotesque and extremely unjust are branded as "righteousness".

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  This is a wonderful post. I never looked at it like that before.

  I always likened it to North Korea. Even haircuts are monitored.
  
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  Work Colleague Went To a JW Funeral - His Experience

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so the guy in my office on the desk next to me has just got back from the funeral of his wifes sister.

  this was his first time in a kh and full on exposure to jwdom.. bit of background: the deceased jw was not a born in, she was a convert when she was in her teens.

  she died last week at the age of 82. the poor old dear was still zealously knocking on doors while in ill health.

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  Pale - what state was that in?

  ttdtt - Me and Paley are in the UK. I would image it'll probably be in up north part of the UK.

  The funeral would have been in the Formby area of the UK.
  
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  Work Colleague Went To a JW Funeral - His Experience

  by pale.emperor in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  so the guy in my office on the desk next to me has just got back from the funeral of his wifes sister.

  this was his first time in a kh and full on exposure to jwdom.. bit of background: the deceased jw was not a born in, she was a convert when she was in her teens.

  she died last week at the age of 82. the poor old dear was still zealously knocking on doors while in ill health.

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  So the guy in my office on the desk next to me has just got back from the funeral of his wifes sister. This was his first time in a KH and full on exposure to JWdom.

  Bit of background: the deceased JW was not a born in, she was a convert when she was in her teens. She died last week at the age of 82. The poor old dear was still zealously knocking on doors while in ill health. I wont disrespect the poor woman, she was a victim of a vile cult that taken so many precious years from her, not to mention her time and energy when she should have been taking it easy in her old age.

  Anyway, so my colleague tells me, her will stated that she be buried rather than cremated due to "the resurrection". This is new to me, I was born in and never heard of this being a JW teaching.

  My colleague went to the KH and said:

  "I was surprised. It was more like a conference hall, i was expecting them to put a powerpoint presentation on the wall or something. They talked about her for about 5 minutes but even then it was about her being a JW. They didnt mention anything about her. The rest of it was talking about resurrection and loyalty. Which didn't seem to make sense. Loyalty?"

  Then he said the speaker said something shocking then quickly moved on. I asked what it was, he said "that her soul is dead now?". I explained about the JWs not believing in an immortal soul. Apparently this shocked/upset some of her never-JW relatives who's only comfort was that she was in a better place. Anyway, the elder quickly moved on.

  Back to the womans house for tea and buffet. He said he couldn't discern who the JWs were because he hadn't met most of her family before. Their introductions were very formal but they seemed nice enough. "However..." he laughed "...they did like to give me literature. I just took it to be polite".

  Then he takes from his pocket 5 JW.borg business cards, 2 leaflets about life after death and the latest Watchtower magazine.

  Really? At a funeral? Who brings literature to a funeral?