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  SKE, and other acronymic crap

  by MTSman in

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  so, i was sort of forced to spend time with my uber-in parents.

  they went on gushing about the website, and the new business cards they have to give out to busy people.

  business cards?

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  pale.emperor

  Dear Paley, they already told the Sheeple not to think for themselves in the September 2007 Kingdom Ministry.

  I was still a JW then. I dont remember that. But then again, i was a 22yo virgin dating a 17yo virgin so my mind was probably on "other things" during the meeting.

  Does the faithful and discreet slave endorse independent groups of Witnesses who meet together to engage in Scriptural research or debate? — Matt.24:45, 47.

  
  No, it does not. And yet, in various parts of the world, a few associates of our organization have formed groups to do independent research on Bible-related subjects. Some have pursued an independent group study of Biblical Hebrew and Greek so as to analyze the accuracy of the New World Translation. Others explore scientific subjects related to the Bible. They have created Web sites and chat rooms for the purpose of exchanging and debating their views. They have also held conferences and produced publications to present their findings and to supplement what is provided at our Christian meetings and through our literature.

  So your own beliefs are not even up for discussion or debate? "New shite light is to be accepted without even knowing why? The audacity of all this is astounding.
  

  Reading the above it looks like all non-Society approved websites are to be prohibited also. Do the R&F even realize this?
  
  
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  Calling Cofty and others regarding evolution

  by dubstepped in

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  so i have started down the path of trying to understand evolution, and to get the linear lies that the jws planted in my head out of it.

  i bought an audiobook called "evolution: what the fossils say and why it matters" by donald prothero.

  i heard it recommended on an atheist podcast that i listened to.

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  pale.emperor

  As an engineer trained to evaluate systems within systems within systems, whose functions are complementary and contribute to a complex array of diverse cooperative functions, the design of all life on Planet Earth is found to be incredibly complicated. The thought that all of this beautiful, productive life which covers the Planet just came into existence without an extremely intelligent guiding hand is incomprehensible.

  Wouldn't that mean that God him/herself is even more complex than the Universe and therefore would also need an even more complex creator, and so on and so on etc?
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  Anxiety, OCD, Hoarding, and the JWs

  by Spiral in

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  i'm noticing what seems to be a higher incidence of the above among the local jws than in the "general" (read: worldly) population.

  i don't say this lightly, my wanderings around the fringes of jw society locally is revealing an alarming trend here.

  the poverty doesn't help (there are good jobs, but you need a degree or qualifications to get one).. anyone else see this?

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  pale.emperor

  My ex-wife is a chronic OCD sufferer. Im talking plastic on her couch, eating food over the sink, disposable cutlery etc. I dont think Watchtower caused her OCD but it definitely magnified it.

  She and her mother both have red scabby skin around the eyes, elbows, scalp and behind the ears. My ex-wife's condition vanished when she stopped going out on the ministry and reduced her meeting attendance. She also doesn't study anymore.

  In my case i was having anxiety attacks in the final two years of my JW life. At the time i didn't know what was causing it. I would feel like i was about to throw up so would have to walk around, pacing up and down corridors or outside singing or talking to myself to distract my mind until it passed. Sometimes i'd have to leave the KH and walk round the block for an hour. One thing i found that 100% worked was watching porn for 2 mins. BAM! distracted and anxiety gone.

  When i finally left woke up to Watchtower indoctrination the anxiety disappeared. I was still going along with the facade trying to fade but i was a lot happier.

  Funny thing is. My girlfriend has lately been having anxiety attacks due to being a fulltime teacher and studying for her Ph.D. I told her the porn distraction thing i did and she tried it and it worked for her too.

  So, in my case, Porn was actually helpful to my mental health and not toxic like Watchtower claimed so many times in their rags. The Watchtower however, was toxic to my mental health.

  (P.S. In no way am i advocating porn for everyone. I know it can be an addiction for some people)
  
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  SKE, and other acronymic crap

  by MTSman in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, i was sort of forced to spend time with my uber-in parents.

  they went on gushing about the website, and the new business cards they have to give out to busy people.

  business cards?

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  pale.emperor

  In a few years it'll be "We dont even have to think anymore because it's all done for us!"

  It's a good thing the guys in charge are infallible and inspired isnt it?... oh, no, wait...
  
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  Did You Go To Meetings in Very Inclement Weather?

  by minimus in

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  living in new england means having lots of snow and cold.

  elders were very reluctant to cancel or reschedule a meeting due to the weather.

  i lived 3 towns away from the kingdom hall and if it was icy and treacherous my vote would always be to cancel the meeting....and forget about rescheduling!.

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  pale.emperor

  Meetings, my family went in all weather. Rain, sleet, hail, snow, blistering heat, strong wind... it didn't matter... and we WALKED the mile there. My parents didnt own a car until i was about 14.

  My worst JW experience with weather was actually only 5 years ago. It was snowing heavily and strong wind. Snow was about 8 inches deep and slushy so you're shoes were soaking wet (as were your feet) and fucking cold.

  EVERYONE including the CO decided to cancel the ministry and all went back to a rich brothers house for tea and cakes and a massive buffet. Unfortunately, i was working with a hard-ball elder who still went out and he was my lift home so i was stuck. We did 2 hours and got only ONE person in. And even then that person told us we were stupid being out in this weather and slammed the door on us.

  Back then i had no balls. I was a "good" JW who thought the elders were personally chosen by God (ha!) so i never complained out loud.
  
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  The Perfect Storm in 2018?

  by Wild_Thing in

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  i have been sadly watching as the number of jws in other countries are decreasing (for the most part), while the numbers in the us are strangely increasing.

  while i question the organization's self reporting numbers, i think 2018 may be the year for another mass us exodus.

  leah remini's show will be focusing on jws in her show on a&e.

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  pale.emperor

  I don’t think many JWs will watch the show, the GB don’t even have to command them not to watch it, most would be too terrified of ***apostasy?!!!*** on their TV screen. I know I was when I was a JW. Coming on here for the first time when I was a doubter I was terrified and my heart pounding as I was reading. Even then I didn’t stay longer than a minute before praying to Jehovah for forgiveness etc. But two years later I woke up and came back again.

  If they do watch it’ll be a massive seed like another poster has said. Some may watch simply so they can refute the arguments. So im hoping there’s not going to be an exaggeration or deliberate misquotes to give the JWs something to point at and claim it’s a lie.
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  Would you sacrifice yourself?

  by Half banana in

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  under roman rule, which covered a large part of the civilized world around the mediterranean, to be a trouble maker or a magician or an insurrectionist was a capital offence.. to live back then in a civilised society was a boon.

  naturally for the sake of law and order certain compliances had to be met to as part of the social bargain to be a roman citizen.

  among them were included the requirement to respect the “genius” or spirit of the emperor, not to be an atheist and to respect the roman gods.

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  If i lived in ancient Rome and faced torture, death in the arena etc for being an atheist then guess what? I'd show you the most devout worshipper of the Mars, Jupiter and, of course, our wonderful emperor with a painted smile.

  Inside i'd know the truth so who cares? Im alive.
  
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  Well...It's 2018 and still no ''Armageddon''

  by RULES & REGULATIONS in

  1. watchtower
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  1972 : we started studying with the jehovah's witnesses when my uncle became an elder and put fear into our family that armageddon was close.

  1974 : my mom, my brother and i were all baptized after all the convention talks and watchtower magazine articles that 1975 would likely end this system of things.

  1999 : being told that the year 2000 was going to mark the 6 thousand years of mans existence and that the 1000 year kingdom in the new paradisewould come in the year 2000.

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  pale.emperor

  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eCMuO_RzQv8

  Check out Tightpants Tony at 1:46:25 "the end is imminent!"... apparently he knows better than Jesus who said:

  But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.

  Matthew 24:36 [NIV Translation]*

  Tonys closing rant begins at 1:45:10. Armageddon is so close... yet they've already planned a 2018 convention for the summer? Sounds like even he doesn't really believe it.
  

  *I will never quote from the New World Bastardization
  
  
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  aspects of shunning

  by stan livedeath in

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  2. beliefs

  many members on here have been shunned.

  we know whats its like--and the effect it has had on our lives.

  but what about those of us who practiced shunning before--when we were members of the watchtower cult ?.

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  pale.emperor

  I felt bad ignoring people that were obviously right in front of me. It didn't feel right. I remember If I saw a DFd person in the street or in a shop my heart would be pounding. That's how much a cult get get into your head, control your emotional reactions.

  The ones who were DFd I used to say never looked happy, but now I know that because no one walks around with a smile on their face 24/7. I was sure that they'd be DFd fairly because the elders were so loving and insightful right? (barf)
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  Wave your phone lights and dance at the Assemblies!

  by days of future passed in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  my sister sent me this youtube.

  in it are witnesses waving their phone lights and dancing in the aisles.

  sorry if this vid has been posted before.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4k7iw-zisgw.

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  pale.emperor

  The previous generation are like: