Posts by pale.emperor

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You or Family at Uni? Bye bye Ministerial Servants Position

by snugglebunny in

kingdom ministry school.

2018 service year.

programme for congregation elders: file:///c:/users/michael/downloads/kms-tk18-e_no8.pdf.

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Having started University since leaving the cult i can see why they discourage it. Every essay i submit HAS TO be referenced in the paragraph, full reference at the end, any claims i make need to be fully supported and explained how i came to that conclusion AND the opposing argument HAS TO be considered fully too.

As my professor put it, "the arguments we present is not to win an argument, it's so that it can be criticized by others to see if it's true".

Imagine if Watchtower submitted their stuff to a University. It'd wouldn't even be marked.

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The Preaching Method Has Flip-Flopped Again

by pale.emperor in

im currently reading a book called jehovah's witnesses: portrait of a contemporary religious movement (https://www.amazon.co.uk/jehovahs-witnesses-portrait-contemporary-religious/dp/0415266106).the researcher is a social scientist, was never a jw, who studied with the witnesses solely to write this book.

his research has been quite thorough and objective which is commendable.he mentioned in the book how rutherford didn't want his colporters (pioneers) giving their own sermons or bible interpretation, but instead he had them going door to door with his records.

(i have some converted to mp3, they're very boring).

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Im currently reading a book called Jehovah's Witnesses: Portrait of a Contemporary Religious Movement (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Jehovahs-Witnesses-Portrait-Contemporary-Religious/dp/0415266106).

The researcher is a social scientist, was never a JW, who studied with the witnesses solely to write this book. His research has been quite thorough and objective which is commendable.

He mentioned in the book how Rutherford didn't want his colporters (pioneers) giving their own sermons or bible interpretation, but instead he had them going door to door with his records. (I have some converted to mp3, they're very boring).

When Rutherford died and Knorr took over, Knorr wanted each JW to be able to preach effectively. So they done away with the records and set up training for preaching, which would eventually become the kingdom ministry school.

Isn't it strange then, that now they've effectively reverted back to Rutherfords method of referring people to a website and showing them a video on a tablet?

My theory is that Tightpants Tony has something to do with this. He reminds me very much of Rutherford. His talks lack warmth, lack humor and he constantly berates his audience rather than showing any genuine love.

It's interesting, and delightful, to see Watchtower flip-flopping once again on something they previously claimed was an improvement, the witnessing to people. Yet now the witnesses are wetting their pants in awe that their glorious GB have had "new light" from Jehovah in how to preach effectively - show them a video.

Is it right that they're going to just call on interested ones now and not offer mags?

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You or Family at Uni? Bye bye Ministerial Servants Position

by snugglebunny in

kingdom ministry school.

2018 service year.

programme for congregation elders: file:///c:/users/michael/downloads/kms-tk18-e_no8.pdf.

pale.emperor

Pornography and Uni named in the same sentence. How odd.

This must be the only religion where one can be an accused child molester and keep their position, but if they want to be a doctor or professor you get named and shamed.

Can someone explain this madness?

28

What do I do ?

by jdash in

hey guys, this is my first time posting on here but lets get started.. so i'm a 17 year old boy who currently attends meetings at a congregation in indianapolis.

i live with my grandparents, on my father's side, because my mother died in 2010. i been attending meetings since i was 10. my mother got into the religion but then got disfellowshiped.

my dad is on and off, he currently just got reinstated.

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Because it's just that, I feel as I am brainwashed. As in like "you better come back or you will die in Armageddon."

Yep, that's quite right. When i was your age the only ones who'd die in Armageddon was the evil ones, then it was anyone who's not a JW, and now as far as i can deduce from Tony Morris III it's anyone who isnt pioneering.

In my opinion, fear of being killed isnt a good reason to join a religion.

Also:

They told me that if I disassociate myself, then my grandfather will lose his position as an elder.

Only if you're living in the same household as far as i know, check the elders book i sent you:)

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The real reason the Watchtower Magazine is studied

by RULES & REGULATIONS in

the watchtower study is not real bible study.

it is a study to introduce wtbts beliefs,doctrines, and practices.

just think for a moment!

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11, 12. How has the slave shown itself to be faithful and discreet?
11 Since Jehovah God and Jesus Christ completely trust the faithful and discreet slave, should we not do the same? After all, the slave has shown itself to be faithful in doing its assigned work. For example, the Watchtower magazine has been published for some 130 years. Meetings, assemblies, and conventions of Jehovah’s Witnesses continue to build us up spiritually.

Since starting University after my exit from the cult, i read the above and cringe. Every essay i submit has to be backed up with evidence from esteemed experts, the opposite considered and my conclusion severely critiqued to make sure what im writing is correct.

If the above was submitted in a University essay it'd get zero marks. Terrible arguments presented.

1. Jehovah and Jesus trust the FDS? - so many holes here. Firstly the mention of the FDS was in a parable by Jesus, not a prophecy. Second, it's not been proven that the FDS is even a person or people. Third, we're given no evidence that God/Jesus trust the FDS. That's three mistakes in one sentence.

2. A magazine being published for 130 years doesn't make it true. The Spectator magazine has been in print since 1828.

3. Conventions build us up spiritually? That would be a subjective/relative concept.

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What do I do ?

by jdash in

hey guys, this is my first time posting on here but lets get started.. so i'm a 17 year old boy who currently attends meetings at a congregation in indianapolis.

i live with my grandparents, on my father's side, because my mother died in 2010. i been attending meetings since i was 10. my mother got into the religion but then got disfellowshiped.

my dad is on and off, he currently just got reinstated.

pale.emperor

First of all, congrats on discovering all this at 17yo and not 31yo like me, or even much older like some of us on here :)

Secondly, you having continued association with your mother and/or brother wont result in you being disfellowshipped so please carry as normal with them. Your brother in particular will be a good help to you. I myself have helped my younger brother out of the cult only recently. If you haven't already, download yourself a copy of Shepherd The Flock Of God (the elders guidebook that they keep secret from the congregation). A simple google search will bring it up. Or PM me and i'll email you a copy. It's definitely worthwhile knowing their rules and tactics they use to try and disfellowship people.

I understand that your position in that your grandparents will want you to attend meetings. I'd say continue going until you're 18 but do the bare minimum. No answering up or anything. Same with ministry, if you can avoid it - do.

Lastly, most of us on here have downloaded and read the book written by ex-Governing Body member Ray Franz called Crises Of Conscience. Do yourself a favor and read that, it'll open your eyes. Again, a simple google search will bring it up or you can PM me for it.

Please post back on this forum and let us know how you're getting on. This forum can be a real lifeline and we have ex-elders, bethelites and CO's on here that can help you.

17

What's out there?

by Jrjw in

someone asked me what does the world have to offer if left the truth?

'coz i'm still in the process of leaving i just said i don't feel i fit in the truth or the world.

she's known me for 12 years and she's the 3rd person recently to say i've changed.

pale.emperor

Things "the world" has given me since i left 2 years ago:

More time to devote to hobbies, Lie in on Saturday and Sunday, Women!, Christmas presents, Birthday presents, Thursday evenings free, REAL friends, freedom of thought, freedom of expression, critical thinking skills, self worth, a hypnosis qualification, a university education, kindness to others regardless of religion.

Things Watchtower gave me that the world didn't:

Depression, Self doubt, Anxiety, Panic attacks, Fear of men, fear of displeasing an invisible entity, black and white thinking.

Take your pick.

6

Documentary: History Of The Earth

by pale.emperor in

for those interested in evolution, do yourself a favor and give this a watch.

i learned so much from it:.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57mertelsbc.

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My wife and I just watched this an enjoyed it thoroughly. Now, we're both new to this new way of seeing life, evolution, etc., so I can't speak to the accuracy of things, but it makes sense and we thought it was well done.

It makes so much sense. And i seriously cant see how anyone can argue with the geological evidence. When they mentioned that creature that looked like a dinosaur but predated them (Gorgonopsid) i had to delve into research and they really do have fossils of them! I'd never even heard of such creatures.

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Just thought I'd share. New up coming apostate

by joe134cd in

forum
links

just listened to this delightful young irish lass and just thought i'd share.

a pleasure to listen to her.

well spoken and presents a good argument.. https://youtu.be/qitwc2qumgs.

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Doesnt it show that women would make fine teachers if only the cult would let her?

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My younger brother officially Disassociated today

by pale.emperor in

hi guys.

just wanted to share this with you as it's kind of got me worried.

my brother who was also raised in "the truth™" met me in town today for a coffee.

pale.emperor

They imply this when he indicates he wants no further part in the religion, yet they accept he is capable to fully understand being baptized and they wouldn't hesitate to punish with disfellowshipping if he committed an offense against the religion's requirements.

Exactly. They already asked if they could come round and talk to him. Plural. Not one elder, but two or more. I reckon it's just so they can DF him instead like they did with me. I DA'd, stupidly accepted their offer to "just talk about it" with them and it turned out to be a Judicial Committee and i was DF'd