Posts by pale.emperor

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Ryde ( I o Wight UK ) KH now a vets.

by stan livedeath in

was:.

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now:.

pale.emperor

Yearbook 2000, page 121
The Isle of Wight, off the south coast, has seven thriving congregations.

That's a 71% drop, what happened? Who's waters are supposed to be drying up again?

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JW MATCH——Is this an acceptable site for JWs?

by minimus in

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how does watchtower.org feel about this site for jehovah’s witnesses who want to find a partner?.

I doubt the site is actually set up by a JW. I wanted to see if anyone i knew was on there so signed up for a free account under the name SATAN THE DEVIL. Since then i keep getting emails telling me someone has "liked" me or sent me a message. Obviously bots just wanting me to sign up to a paid account.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

Someone.... somewhere.... knows exactly what they are doing.

I sometimes wonder if the GB are really running this circus? Could there be a 9th member above them all? Could there be just one GB member who's wide awake and manipulating the others?

This would make a great movie.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

If these scam artists can warn against propaganda and the like, they know what it is and how to use it.............and use it they do. Evidently.

The thing is though, when it comes to utilizing propaganda they're doing a crappy job of it. Look at the kind of propaganda Mao, Goebbels and the North Korean Kim dynasty have used. In North Korea people believed their "dear leader" controls the weather for crying out loud!

I think they're "having a bash at propaganda" but using it unskillfully - balls-ing it up. Sometimes they're quite good at it with their labels.

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

My opinion (valuable or valueless as it might be) is that the GB have not studied psychology. They are, for the most part, nitwits.

Yeah, i think we can all agree there.

I think it just sort of comes "organically". Leaders of high-control groups tend to have similar psychological & emotional profiles - that sort of person is "drawn" toward trying to control the thoughts & actions of others. I.e., such people tend to join, then "float" to the top of, such organizations.

I think you're probably right actually. I dont think this religion set itself out to become what it has now become. It's evolved over time with the right (or should i say, the "wrong") people with the biggest egos and bigger personalities finding themselves in the driving seat.

Have you noticed how they always insert their own adjectives into statements to?

"The Russian government have unjustly banned our work." - well, according to the Russian government it wasn't unjust at all.

"The unscriptural misuse of blood".

Take out the adjectives and you're left with simple statements. Add an adjective and you're directing someones thinking.

"The wonderful forum writer Sir82 bought me a Starbucks".

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The Label Of "Apostate" And It's Effects

by pale.emperor in

in my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour.

i sometimes wonder if the gb or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.. it's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing.

it colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases.

pale.emperor

In my psychology studies we've been examining the use of "labels" and how they influence peoples behaviour. I sometimes wonder if the GB or their helpers know exactly what they're doing when it comes to psychological manipulation.

It's been observed that by labeling someone or something it changes your entire perception of that person or thing. It colours it entirely, quite unfairly in some cases. For example, if we asks someone about Bob, and someone says "Bob is an alcoholic" what do we now think about Bob? Perhaps we imagine his home strewn with beer bottles. A man who lacks self control, most likely ill and selfish to his own desires rather than providing for his family. Alcoholics sometimes hide their addiction, so maybe Bob is hiding alcohol right now?

Is this an unfair label? I'd say so. Nothing is said of the fact that Bob is a recovering alcoholic. He's been sober for 18 years and works as a teacher in a blind school. He raises money for those affected by alcoholism and runs recovery groups.

Now lets take most of us on here. The GB have given us the label of "apostate". Fortunately for the JWs, the GB have lovingly told them their definition of an apostate:

“Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease. You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are ‘mentally diseased’, and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings.” - Watchtower 15 July 2011

Now, think back to when we were JWs, what images were conjured up when you heard that word? Placards, angry faces, liars, dangerous, mentally diseased? Little was ever said of that fact that more than half of us were converts, meaning we were apostates according to other religions. Or that Jesus himself is regarded as an apostate by the majority of Judaism.

This is why it's vital that the Watchtower society keep on throwing that label around. Why it's important for them to liken us to Korah when in fact it's the GB themselves who are Korah, putting themselves in place of Moses (anti-type for Jesus).

We're a lot of things, not just one label. If we pay attention to what labels we're using it changes our entire perception. The further into my degree I go, and the more I learn, I wonder more and more if the GB have actually studied psychology themselves. Even when I did my hypnosis course, there were things there like loaded language and misdirecting the audience which the GB use all the time.

Notice the language the magazines use... "we" and "true Christians think such and such"... directing the reader to a conclusion.

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How do you feel about the elders?

by Lost in the fog in

oh dear, i recently made a comment about an elder being dogmatic.

and one of his best buddies sent me a wt article to help me realign my mind or something.

this is where reality separates from fantasy and fiction.

pale.emperor

Christian elders are not to be dictatorial, domineering, arbitrary, or harsh. Imitating Christ’s example, they endeavor to be loving, considerate, humble, and kind in their dealings with the sheep entrusted to their care.

The writer has obviously never met the elders of Speke congregation. If ever there were pharisee's in this religion they're in Speke!

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New brochure about donations.

by Ray Frankz in

in this midweek meeting the local needs was a booooring speech about the new brochure on donations.

the wt must think the jws are dying to know how to give their money.. well, it's not new this is disgusting but this time, after i ve been slightly hinting people here and there for a year about the 'abnormal request of money' and remind them that 'the faithful slave wasn't like that until some time ago', this time i saw their faces.

they did get bothered with that talk.

pale.emperor

Who wants to place bets on when they'll introduce tithing?

It's not a question of if, but when.

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BOE-2018-04-16--Beards and Special Privileges!

by Atlantis in

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2018-04-16-boebeards and special privilegeshttps://we.tl/qoxbkltp4latlantis!.

pale.emperor

I find it very hard to believe that Jehovah would create testosterone in males which produces beard growth yet would be so offended by his creation actually showing the results of testosterone... something he created in the first place!

Its like Michelangelo painting a beautiful fresco then upon stepping down from his ladder ordering the Vatican to paint clothes on the nude figures.

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Motherly Love, that "Unbreakable Bond"

by Simon in

my father died a couple of months ago.

he'd been ill for some time and had many health scares and heart troubles over the years but always managed to keep on going.

then one time he didn't.. i'm glad i got to know him again and spend some more time with him after so many years missed because of the wts but those years will always be lost forever.

pale.emperor

Fist of all Simon, im sorry for your loss. My condolences to you.

As regards to your mother, the brainwashing is strong with that one (mine's exactly the same). Now that we're out we see the obvious absurdity of it all and it's annoying as f**k.

I read this and thought of the next time i'd ever see my family. It could only ever be at a funeral. Not my mothers, i wouldn't attend her's after what she's done to me, but if one of my siblings were to die that's the only time i'd ever see them. And i imagine it'd go exactly like you've described. I wonder how i'd handle the situation, would i approach them? would i pretend the elephant isnt in the room?

But then... i doubt i'd even be informed if one of my family members died.