Posts by pale.emperor

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JWTALK Bob Comes Up With A Classic

by AverageJoe1 in

the guy everyone loves to hate, bob, has come up with a classic:.

redefining the concept of "critical thinking" when it comes to jws.. he quite correctly states the need to use critical thinking when reading the bible, yet we all know that pimi jws don't have the first clue what "critical thinking" really means, especially on a thread fawning over how great the gb are and guessing who will be presenting the next jwb!.

the link to the actual comment is:.

pale.emperor

I so get your line of reasoning - but I have to say I winced when I saw what you wrote back to the moderator

And yet in the real world, replying to admin staff, your boss or even the manager of a hotel is expected and allowed. Not on JWTalk!

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JWTALK Bob Comes Up With A Classic

by AverageJoe1 in

the guy everyone loves to hate, bob, has come up with a classic:.

redefining the concept of "critical thinking" when it comes to jws.. he quite correctly states the need to use critical thinking when reading the bible, yet we all know that pimi jws don't have the first clue what "critical thinking" really means, especially on a thread fawning over how great the gb are and guessing who will be presenting the next jwb!.

the link to the actual comment is:.

pale.emperor

PE, didn't realize you got booted.
What was the final straw?
Did they give you the courtesy of an explanation for it? Or did they judge you as apostate scum, beneath their contempt?

Check out this thread: https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/topic/5759413848637440/got-another-telling-off-on-jwtalk?page=4

I claimed to not understand the overlapping generation teaching - then later said i dont fully believe it and im waiting on new light from Jehovah. Next thing you know, I received the following email:

Dear XXXX
Welcome to jwtalk.net. We hope you enjoy our community.
We understand you are new here and maybe haven't found your balance yet. We are concerned a little with your comment about the overlapping generation teaching. This comment is opposite what the Bible and the FDS indicates.
The Bible is clear in context that there is only ONE generation made up of two groups who's lives overlap.
Your comment is suggesting that the bible is inaccurate about the generation overlap and this is not in harmony with our beliefs.
Please be mindful we will not allow blatant contradictions to be posted here and such can result in warnings and eventual dismissal.
Please familiarize yourself with our terms of use, sit back and enjoy your time here. We strive to make this a safe on line haven.

I humbly asked for more clarification, presenting myself as an avid bible student who is confused by the teaching - that then resulted in this email:

I have a feeling you don't talk to the GB or even have much respect for their opinion anyway.
We have decided you are not a good fit for our site.

I disagreed with the GB and that was it. The fact that I claimed to believe the bible and even humbly asked for help understanding the GB teaching using the bible resulted in my ban.

And they say they dont follow the GB...

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JWTALK Bob Comes Up With A Classic

by AverageJoe1 in

the guy everyone loves to hate, bob, has come up with a classic:.

redefining the concept of "critical thinking" when it comes to jws.. he quite correctly states the need to use critical thinking when reading the bible, yet we all know that pimi jws don't have the first clue what "critical thinking" really means, especially on a thread fawning over how great the gb are and guessing who will be presenting the next jwb!.

the link to the actual comment is:.

pale.emperor

You should read some of the things they're saying about me since i was booted off the forum. Bear in mind I got booted for asking too many questions about the overlapping generation - the mods are saying:

"You really dont want to know. You would feel so dirty soap and water would not be enough to make you feel clean again."

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JWTALK Bob Comes Up With A Classic

by AverageJoe1 in

the guy everyone loves to hate, bob, has come up with a classic:.

redefining the concept of "critical thinking" when it comes to jws.. he quite correctly states the need to use critical thinking when reading the bible, yet we all know that pimi jws don't have the first clue what "critical thinking" really means, especially on a thread fawning over how great the gb are and guessing who will be presenting the next jwb!.

the link to the actual comment is:.

pale.emperor

I'm sure I lost brain cells every time i visited that site.

Never thought i'd say this, but i think i hate Bob just as much as Tony Morris. He has his crappy blog page with videos defending JW beliefs. His one on shunning is simply a work of art that Joseph Goebbels would be proud of... he claims shunning ex-members is OK because it's just like when you get fired from your job, the employees of that workplace then shun you.... right?

Not in the real world, Bob. If your old workmates are shunning you it's because you're a dick.

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It takes a good imagination to be a JDub

by Sour Grapes in

at the regional convention, the speaker said that jehovah is our best friend.

so let's see...if i need a ride to the doctor's office can i call on my best friend to give me a ride to the office?

when i wake up in the morning and tell my best friend jehovah, "good morning, how are you?

pale.emperor

I remember when i first woke up and my brain would automatically start a prayer before i ate. I managed to stop it by looking up to the sky and saying "thanks Thor!" instead. The absurdity of it all told my brain that praying was silly.

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Supreme Court of Canada Rules in Favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses

by pale.emperor in

interesting how watchtower have twisted whats actually happened and how they've presented it to their members:.

from https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/canada/supreme-court-rules-20180531/.

in a unanimous decision released on may 31, 2018, the supreme court of canada recognized that the disfellowshipping arrangement should remain free from court intervention.

pale.emperor

I understand that Earnest. But what I'm getting at is the way JW.borg have reported it is as if the courts regard disfellowshiping and it's consequences as just and not a big deal.

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Supreme Court of Canada Rules in Favor of Jehovah’s Witnesses

by pale.emperor in

interesting how watchtower have twisted whats actually happened and how they've presented it to their members:.

from https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/canada/supreme-court-rules-20180531/.

in a unanimous decision released on may 31, 2018, the supreme court of canada recognized that the disfellowshipping arrangement should remain free from court intervention.

pale.emperor

Interesting how Watchtower have twisted whats actually happened and how they've presented it to their members:

From https://www.jw.org/en/news/jw/region/canada/supreme-court-rules-20180531/

In a unanimous decision released on May 31, 2018, the Supreme Court of Canada recognized that the disfellowshipping arrangement should remain free from court intervention. We rejoice in this vindication of Jehovah’s righteous standards.—Isaiah 33:22.
https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/17101/index.do

First of all, the court ruled that intervention fell out of their juristiction - it nowhere stated that they agree with this practice.

Secondly, the interveners in the court case were representatives of other churches. So it's "satans" churches that have actually ruled this. Namely:

Canadian Council of Christian Charities,

Association for Reformed Political Action Canada,

Canadian Constitution Foundation,

Evangelical Fellowship of Canada,

Catholic Civil Rights League,

Christian Legal Fellowship,

World Sikh Organization of Canada,

Seventh‑day Adventist Church in Canada,

Justice Centre for Constitutional Freedoms,

Church of Jesus Christ of Latter‑day Saints in Canada,

British Columbia Civil Liberties Association and

Canadian Muslim Lawyers Association

Thirdly, the court case was conducted with witnesses present, the judge and jury were two separate entities and the interveners had no conflict of interest - totally the opposite of how Watchtower carries out judicial committees! Imagine how outraged Watchtower would be if they were treated the same as a JC.

Fourthly, this is the same supreme court in which a Watchtower lawyer lied about the disfellowshipping arrangement - stating that families ties stay in place and it's only spiritual association that is effected.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RIoKtHRdQnk

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This Week CLM Meeting

by zophar in

so, this week on the clm there was an interesting comment at our kh.. under the "apply yourself to the field ministry" portion this week, there was the bible study assignment based on the publication: who are doing jehovah’s will today?

published in 2016. the material was from lesson 28 "what can be found on our website?

there is a footnote at the bottom that reads: .

pale.emperor

Hmmmm... he sounds like a clever guy. What he said is absolutely reasonable.

I am sure there are a lot of JWs lurking on this forum. They know what is written here is true but yet they still cling to their religion. Who knows? Maybe they cannot leave..yet.

What brought me to this forum when I was PIMI was sheer anger at the elders interfering and micromanaging every choice in my life. I came here to find a listening ear and boy did i find it!

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So lonely and isolated.

by CampcO0perate in

reading some post on here today has me wonder ing if there is some others out there that understands the duplicet fickle person i am on the inside.

i was brought to the kingdom hall 3-4 times a week.

to this day i have an aversion totuesdays.

pale.emperor

It's not unusual to go through the stages of PTSD after leaving a high control group. We can all relate to finding it strange, unusual and at times downright scary adjusting to the real world. The important thing first and foremost is to know that you're not alone. This forum was and still is like therapy to me. Do make sure you visit and read, contribute and post your journey. Maybe even share your story of how you ended up in the religion and how you managed to leave? This can be quite therapeutic.

Take it slow. There's no need to rush. You'll make friends in time if you make sure you get out there. I personally joined classes like art and joined a meetup group on meetup.com. I found a group with the same interests as mine and made lots of friends.

As for self esteem, it's all about how you regard yourself. How do talk to/about yourself? At times we tend to focus on the negatives but there will always be cool things about you. Focus on the things you like about yourself, discover new music and bands that make you feel good. Even re-style yourself. I changed my entire dress sense (for the better!) and i started to feel good about myself.

And, of course, stop reading the Watchtower rags.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6XORVj8pRts

I'm only partly qualified (so far) in therapy and counseling so I'll leave it there.

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The biggest news of the year for Mr. and Mrs. Totally ADD

by Still Totally ADD in

jw
friends

this is bigger than christmas and birthdays wrap into one.

thanks to the australian royal commission our youngest son has woke up.

we received a e-mail from him tonight where he apologized to us for shunning us all these years, how bad he felt for doing this.

pale.emperor

Brilliant!!