And no doubt jookbeard Butt-Head was hanging onto your left ankle with his right hand, trying to prevent you from crossing the finish line first. No doubt it was YOU who caused your mother all that grief constantly kicking her insides. And you caused her even more grief years later when you decided to marry that pagan. And after you had sold your birthright you kept it a secret, not informing your father about the deal you made with Butt-Head. In case you need someone to explain it to you--that was deceitful of YOU! You deceived your own father!!! And then after your deceit backfired you got all angry and wanted to kill your brother, Butt-Head!!!! Bad boy, bad boy, what you gonna do when they come for you!!!!!!!
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Explain why you are happy if you believe there is no afterlife vs when you joined JW's
by Bad_Wolf inone thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
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The clown factory at Warwick
by Sour Grapes init just amazes me how the clown factory at the borgs basilica in warwick could produce 8 clown popes that act like self-licking ice cream cones and the jdubs take them so seriously.
if the popes said that they were going to have a bible signing session at a king dumb hall 8 hours away that so many jdubs would make the trip the town would be swamped with traffic.. you know what is truly sad is when during jdub public prayers, the governing body gets more praise than the head of the congregation.
all jesus gets is the final "in jesus name.".
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It's only a matter of time before they pull some "new light" from someones ass and become "saints" or something.
Remember Trotters on here the other day, what did he call them? Glorious Ones? [capital letters too!]
"She should feel guilty for speaking abusively of one of the Glorious Ones. I really like the way Brother Morris lays it on the line in plain terms so there is no chance of misunderstanding what he said! There should be more Jehovah's Witnesses just like him." - Trottigy
https://www.jehovahs-witness.com/users/5523125350432768/JTrottigy/posts
[Bold mine]
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Great news!
by Half banana init's a case of two down and one to go.
my darling daughter has announced to the extended family that she has left jehovah's witnesses!
deep joy!.
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EXCELLENT NEWS!! This has cheered me right up indeed.
I have learned not to say a word of condemnation of the cult in her presence since it is always taken as a personal insult.
That's a very smart move. I've learned the hard way that criticizing the borg to new exit-ers can be counter productive.
Im really happy for you. Do keep us posted of her progress.
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Explain why you are happy if you believe there is no afterlife vs when you joined JW's
by Bad_Wolf inone thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
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Yes, indeed, Adam and Eve were the first two humans . . . . . seriously.
There were two "first humans" and you even know their names? That's quite a claim. Evidence?
Do you have a superior explanation of how you got here? Try to be intelligent, and state your case.
My parents had sex in February 1984. Of the 15 million sperm I was the fastest and managed to implant into my mothers egg. I grew from a single cell organism into a complex bundle of self replicating cells that eventually became a baby. I was squeezed out of my mothers cervix on 21st November 1984.
I can present evidence for all of these things.
Now please state your evidence that there were two "first humans" who were called Adam and Eve?
Here's a great trick to spot fantasy from reality. If there was a talking animal involved at any part, it's either a Disney cartoon or it's not true.
Go!
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Explain why you are happy if you believe there is no afterlife vs when you joined JW's
by Bad_Wolf inone thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
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SWAT, as soon as you mentioned Adam & Eve and scrolled on.
Adam & Eve... seriously?
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Explain why you are happy if you believe there is no afterlife vs when you joined JW's
by Bad_Wolf inone thing that has intrigued me are so many who have left, who are wholly convinced everything in existence is merely by chance now, also claim they wouldn't want to live forever, and perfectly fine if this is the only life.
now, i would understand that if you were raised into the religion.
i was raised into it.
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pale.emperor
Accepting that the chances of us being born at all were almost impossible coupled with the fact that life is finite means I live my life NOW and I own my own mistakes. It also means we should love who we love completely and not take it for granted because one day they won't be around. And neither will I.
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No new releases? How are the r&f taking this?
by purrpurr inis it true that there's been no new releases at this summer's convention?
if so it will be the first convention in decades perhaps ever to not produce at least a new tract.. how are the r&f explaining this to eachother?
surely they must have noticed the absence?
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I thought I saw a new book/mag on offer on the carts this morning. I made my way across the road and it looked like a Jonah book/mag in plastic wrapper. Picked it up and it was simply the convention release unfolded in a plastic bag... also containing an Awake! on "12 Secrets Of Successful Families" (oh the irony!).
Seriously wafer thin. I actually didn't even know it was in there until I opened the bag.
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11 new things made illegal in a relationship
by Amelia Ashton ini was subjected to more than one of these whilst married.
a partner should be treated as an equal.
i wonder how that will work out in a jw household?.
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God's people would never be charged with any of these "crimes" as they always apply Bible laws to their lives.
Actually, Trotters, the org is guilty of doing 3, 4, 5, 8, 9, 10 and 11.
3. Repeatedly putting you down4. Stopping you from seeing friends and family
5. Scaring you
8. Being extremely jealous
9. Forcing you to obey their rules
10. Controlling what you wear
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The Latest Thing Waking People Up...
by pale.emperor insince i woke up and left i've been contacted by others i knew from my youth who've also left the cult.
also people around the world on facebook adding me out of the blue because we have mutual friends and they occasionally ask me stuff or share their story.. what i've noticed in the vast majority of cases, is that people are waking up not because of the arc or doctrine but apathy.
active jws are becoming less and less interested, less and less bothered.
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She should feel guilty for speaking abusively of one of the Glorious Ones. I really like the way Brother Morris lays it on the line in plain terms so there is no chance of misunderstanding what he said! There should be more Jehovah's Witnesses just like him.
What say you Trotters? Are you feeling the apathy where you are?
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Excellent Netflix Documentary: Deprogrammed
by pale.emperor ini watched this really interesting documentary on netflix the other day.
it's about a man called ted patrick who became a cult deprogrammer after his son was recruited into a cult in the 1960s.
he basically self taught through trial and error and interviewing many cult members and former-members.. i must say i dont agree with his method, maybe as a last resort but i think it's likely to do more harm than good.
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I watched this really interesting documentary on Netflix the other day. It's about a man called Ted Patrick who became a cult deprogrammer after his son was recruited into a cult in the 1960s. He basically self taught through trial and error and interviewing many cult members and former-members.
I must say I dont agree with his method, maybe as a last resort but I think it's likely to do more harm than good. It's the same as Steve Hassan's method - bundle them into a car, take them to a remote location and start the deprogramming procedure through asking questions and introducing them to former members.
One cult on there even refers to themselves as "the truth". She say's something we can all relate to:
"When I was in, we'd look around at other groups like the Hari Krishnas or Moonies and say "yeah, they're in a cult". But we never noticed ourselves as being in a cult. We were in the truth."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jOTtvY_B6Do
From what I noticed from this, cults seem to follow the same basic method to manipulate the everyday person into their group:
- Find a ripe target. They will approach students, activists looking for a cause to fight for or grieving relatives and people in a low point in their lives.
- Love bomb. Invite them to a free lecture, meal or vacation. During the lecture or vacation the leader and the deeper teachings arnt mentions. At most they'll talk about how bad the world is and how they're working to make it better.
- Isolate the target. Get them away from critical friends/family. Take them away on a vacation with like-minded members or make them commit to a few days of courses away from anyone else.
- Find a handle to exploit. In most cases it was the bible. You can twist any scripture to fit your narrative. One father was talking to his son and became absolutely exhausted with the circular reasoning his son was using. His son said "Jesus said your enemies would be members of your own household" (sound familiar?). Questioning the cult was questioning the bible.
- Get them to give up university, their family and their friends. This makes them dependent on the cult and leaves them empty if they ever leave. Therefore people will come back or escape from their concerned family.
Check it out if you can.