Posts by evilApostate

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The JWs who don't believe JW doctrine

by evilApostate in

to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.

" i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.

those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.

evilApostate

To me it seems that there are a growing number of JWs who reject a few to most doctrines of JWs and yet still believe that they are in "Jehovah's Organisation." I have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-JWs.

Take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793

Those are JWs who reject 1914 and even the GB. They claim that Jokehova will cleanse the organisation at the time of the end and only the true servants will survive.

The problem is that that logic can be applied to any church in existence. They might as well go to a Catholic church whilst rejecting some doctrines and keeping their own beliefs. Wouldn't Jokehova also cleanse the Catholic church (or any other church for that matter) at the time of the end and save his true worshippers? What makes JW land still so special?

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To love Jehovah more than friends and family.

by schnell in

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when i was a believer, i endorsed this idea too.

i commented with things like "love jehovah more than your mate" or "love jehovah more than your friends".. it didn't occur to me as i was saying it that jehovah is an idea.

this god concept is an idea that should really pass scrutiny if you're supposed to love it more than anything else.. at best, this means that jehovah is real and you have to love jehovah more than the people in your life, no matter the despicable things he is said to have done, condoned and endorsed in his holy writ.

evilApostate

The idea that your family puts you second to a cult is very heartbreaking. My mom used to say that she "loves" me but as soon as I left "the truth" everything changed and all that "love" vanished into thin air. What kind of "love" is that? Whatever it is, I would rather to not be loved at all than to have fake love.

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2017 Yearbook released

by bohm in

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i saw this on reddit:.

https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.

overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).

evilApostate

The negative growth and zeros please me very much. I hope that 2018 is even more satisfying.

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You know it's the Truth, because it attracts crazy people.

by schnell in

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i wish i was kidding, but i have heard this idea suggested lately as a defense of the wts.

this is god's organization, even though it attracts crazy people, and because it attracts crazy people.

"unlettered and ordinary," et cetera.. i don't get it.

evilApostate

At this rate, in ten years (if they don't go bust by then) they will have about 50,000 anointed people. 😆

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I am glad to have found the true religion

by A Believer in

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it really is great.

i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

evilApostate

You guys just couldn't resist the bait right?

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WT sells branch in Hong Kong for 65M

by Viva la Vida in

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http://www.savills.com.hk/_news/article/574/141879-0/12/2015/savills-appointed-sole-agent-for-the-tender-sale-of-12-and-14-kent-road--kowloon-tong.

savills appointed sole agent for the tender sale of 12 & 14 kent road, kowloon tong.

the two-storey property at 14 kent road has a site area and saleable area of 10,771 sq ft and 4,303 sq ft respectively.

evilApostate

Check the Yearbook for 1992 p. 26 (you can find it here from the Avoid JW webpage:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw0qjUoEReBVQ3pVaVVMV1VPbVk/view)

I see. However, wouldn't that mean that they are only partially closing? Don't they still own the other property at 4 Kent Road, Kowloon Tong?

From the yearbook:

On January 1, 1980, the branch office moved from a tiny
facility to a more spacious and quieter one at 4 Kent Road in
the suburb of Kowloon Tong. These premises were to serve
the needs of the branch very well for eight years. Time then
came for further expansion. Right on time a beautiful building
suitable for a small branch office and Bethel Home became
available at 12 Kent Road, and this was purchased. However,
after only three years, it became obvious that another property
would soon be needed. Again Jehovah provided.
One afternoon, a Catholic priest living at 16 Kent Road
told the Branch Committee coordinator, "Our friends have
gone." He was referring to a Chinese family who owned
14 Kent Road. This family had moved out that weekend, and
their house was for sale. It was ideal. The property at 14 Kent
Road is an excellent addition to our other properties at
numbers 4 and 12. This is a two-story, white reinforced concrete building.

The Bethel family now numbers 19, and
there are accommodations for 30.

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WT sells branch in Hong Kong for 65M

by Viva la Vida in

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http://www.savills.com.hk/_news/article/574/141879-0/12/2015/savills-appointed-sole-agent-for-the-tender-sale-of-12-and-14-kent-road--kowloon-tong.

savills appointed sole agent for the tender sale of 12 & 14 kent road, kowloon tong.

the two-storey property at 14 kent road has a site area and saleable area of 10,771 sq ft and 4,303 sq ft respectively.

evilApostate

Is this really Watchtower's property? I didn't see anything in your link about Watchtower owning the property. Additionally, according to this:

https://www.facebook.com/media/set/?set=a.280118342181278.1073741832.150992685093845&type=3

Watchtower's branch is located at 4 Kent Road, Kowloon Tong. Can you clarify?

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Did God place the Sun and Moon in the earth's atmosphere?

by evilApostate in

and god said, “let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” so god made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.

god called the vault “sky.” and there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.and god said, “let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” and it was so.

god called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” and god saw that it was good.. above we see that there were waters below and waters above.

evilApostate

@schnell:

Thanks for the diagram.

My point is if the creation story is clearly false, why do people still take it so seriously?

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Did God place the Sun and Moon in the earth's atmosphere?

by evilApostate in

and god said, “let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” so god made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it.

god called the vault “sky.” and there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.and god said, “let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” and it was so.

god called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” and god saw that it was good.. above we see that there were waters below and waters above.

evilApostate

And God said, “Let there be a vault between the waters to separate water from water.” So God made the vault and separated the water under the vault from the water above it. And it was so. God called the vault “sky.” And there was evening, and there was morning—the second day.
And God said, “Let the water under the sky be gathered to one place, and let dry ground appear.” And it was so. God called the dry ground “land,” and the gathered waters he called “seas.” And God saw that it was good.

Above we see that there were waters below and waters above. Underneath the waters above was the sky. According to many Christians the flood came because God allowed the waters above to come down.

And God said, “Let there be lights in the vault of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark sacred times, and days and years, and let them be lights in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth.” And it was so. God made two great lights—the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. God set them in the vault of the sky to give light on the earth, to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. And there was evening, and there was morning—the fourth day.

Above, we see that the bible is saying that God placed the sun and the moon in the vault of the sky; i.e. the earth's atmosphere. So much for the bible being "scientifically accurate."

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Jehovah's Witnesses Watchtower Society Houses Hidden Sexual Abuse Records, Says Journalist

by no password in

jehovah's witnesses watchtower society houses hidden sexual abuse records, says journalist.

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evilApostate

I tell you this much. The day that the pedophile database is actually released, I will party like it's 1999.

Sadly, I wouldn't be surprised if they actually delete all data before they are forced to release it.