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  Disfellowshipping - Quid Pro Quo - Satan's Accusation

  by doublespeak in

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  if under jw doctrine, satan's accusation is that a human serves god for the purpose of what he can get out of it, does the disfellowshipping arrangement, exercised to the degree that the governing body deem to be appropriate, support this charge?.

  taking for granted the jehovah’s witnesses are god’s chosen organization; on the assumption that the angels (who apparently cannot read heart conditions) looking upon humanity who are making a stand for the issue of sovereignty , are unable to discern those who are in the religion because of their family and friends.

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  evilApostate

  I think I see what you mean. According to scripture, Satan states that people serve God because of what they can get out of him and not because they genuinely love him. Similarly, there are many who remain JWs just to remain in contact with friends and family and not because they genuinely want to be part of the organization.

  Thing is, that logic can be applied to all Christians. Some serve to go to heaven (or avoid hell) while others serve to avoid eternal destruction at Armageddon and live on a paradise earth. Any how you slice it, it seems that Satan is right. lol
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  The JWs who don't believe JW doctrine

  by evilApostate in

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  to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.

  " i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.

  those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.

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  evilApostate

  I listened with interest to two Roman Catholic friends of mine speaking to each other about taking their doctrines seriously and they both agreed that they didn’t believe in a literal approach but were happy to remain churchgoers.
  In JW land however, the cultural norm is to take everything rather more seriously. The slightest hint of disbelief is treated with horror! It would be symptomatic of disloyalty to the GB that you are becoming an unbeliever and that would mean being destined to become bird food at big A. It is the worst thing ever to express religious doubt in JW company. Doubt after all is far more contagious than belief!

  Therefore, they have no valid reasons to remain (other than for fear of losing family and friends). In a normal church you have the freedom to believe (or not believe) whatever doctrines you want.

  Also, please note that all the nonsense you see them explaining and defending should be place in the right perspective. They are not defending any teaching and doctrine. They are defending their choice of remaining JWs and they do that for fear of losing what the WT gives them to feel the comfort they need.

  That's the thing. They are not really JWs if they reject JW doctrine. Many of them reject the GB as well. So... why not go to any regular church?

  I think what they are trying to do is to redefine what being a JW means. The problem with that is that there can be no clear definition unless they all agree on what doctrines constitute JW doctrines. They might as well start a new denomination with a new name.
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  The JWs who don't believe JW doctrine

  by evilApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.

  " i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.

  those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.

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  evilApostate

  Here is another link:

  http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/how-did-you-react-when-you-learned-the-truth-about-the-truth-ttatt.2523/

  Above are people who learnt TTATT but remain "JWs". Cognitive Dissonance?

  OP said it made him "spiritually stronger." lol
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  Leaving the jws is a "lifestyle choice" according to a counsellor

  by purrpurr in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.

  her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".

  i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.

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  Many people aren't even aware that JWs exist much less for their practices and beliefs. Its probably something she just doesn't understand.
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  The JWs who don't believe JW doctrine

  by evilApostate in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.

  " i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.

  those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.

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  To me it seems that there are a growing number of JWs who reject a few to most doctrines of JWs and yet still believe that they are in "Jehovah's Organisation." I have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-JWs.

  Take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793

  Those are JWs who reject 1914 and even the GB. They claim that Jokehova will cleanse the organisation at the time of the end and only the true servants will survive.

  The problem is that that logic can be applied to any church in existence. They might as well go to a Catholic church whilst rejecting some doctrines and keeping their own beliefs. Wouldn't Jokehova also cleanse the Catholic church (or any other church for that matter) at the time of the end and save his true worshippers? What makes JW land still so special?
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  To love Jehovah more than friends and family.

  by schnell in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  when i was a believer, i endorsed this idea too.

  i commented with things like "love jehovah more than your mate" or "love jehovah more than your friends".. it didn't occur to me as i was saying it that jehovah is an idea.

  this god concept is an idea that should really pass scrutiny if you're supposed to love it more than anything else.. at best, this means that jehovah is real and you have to love jehovah more than the people in your life, no matter the despicable things he is said to have done, condoned and endorsed in his holy writ.

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  The idea that your family puts you second to a cult is very heartbreaking. My mom used to say that she "loves" me but as soon as I left "the truth" everything changed and all that "love" vanished into thin air. What kind of "love" is that? Whatever it is, I would rather to not be loved at all than to have fake love.
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  2017 Yearbook released

  by bohm in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  i saw this on reddit:.

  https://www.reddit.com/r/exjw/comments/5mlgsm/2017_yearbook_of_jehovahs_witnesses/.

  overall the numbers are better than last year (1.8% growth compared to 1.5% last year -- as i predicted ;-) ) with an increase in all major figures including 1300 more congregations (i assume this is not physical kingdom halls?).

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  The negative growth and zeros please me very much. I hope that 2018 is even more satisfying.
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  You know it's the Truth, because it attracts crazy people.

  by schnell in

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  2. friends

  i wish i was kidding, but i have heard this idea suggested lately as a defense of the wts.

  this is god's organization, even though it attracts crazy people, and because it attracts crazy people.

  "unlettered and ordinary," et cetera.. i don't get it.

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  At this rate, in ten years (if they don't go bust by then) they will have about 50,000 anointed people. 😆
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  I am glad to have found the true religion

  by A Believer in

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  2. friends

  it really is great.

  i remember browsing this forum the day after i had joined it, and their was a knock on the door.

  i thought it was one of my package from ups but instead it was two sisters.

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  evilApostate

  You guys just couldn't resist the bait right?
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  WT sells branch in Hong Kong for 65M

  by Viva la Vida in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  http://www.savills.com.hk/_news/article/574/141879-0/12/2015/savills-appointed-sole-agent-for-the-tender-sale-of-12-and-14-kent-road--kowloon-tong.

  savills appointed sole agent for the tender sale of 12 & 14 kent road, kowloon tong.

  the two-storey property at 14 kent road has a site area and saleable area of 10,771 sq ft and 4,303 sq ft respectively.

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  Check the Yearbook for 1992 p. 26 (you can find it here from the Avoid JW webpage:https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw0qjUoEReBVQ3pVaVVMV1VPbVk/view)

  I see. However, wouldn't that mean that they are only partially closing? Don't they still own the other property at 4 Kent Road, Kowloon Tong?

  From the yearbook:

  On January 1, 1980, the branch office moved from a tiny
  facility to a more spacious and quieter one at 4 Kent Road in
  the suburb of Kowloon Tong. These premises were to serve
  the needs of the branch very well for eight years. Time then
  came for further expansion. Right on time a beautiful building
  suitable for a small branch office and Bethel Home became
  available at 12 Kent Road, and this was purchased. However,
  after only three years, it became obvious that another property
  would soon be needed. Again Jehovah provided.
  One afternoon, a Catholic priest living at 16 Kent Road
  told the Branch Committee coordinator, "Our friends have
  gone." He was referring to a Chinese family who owned
  14 Kent Road. This family had moved out that weekend, and
  their house was for sale. It was ideal. The property at 14 Kent
  Road is an excellent addition to our other properties at
  numbers 4 and 12. This is a two-story, white reinforced concrete building.

  The Bethel family now numbers 19, and
  there are accommodations for 30.