i have often seen many categorise the organisation in different ways.
some say cult, some say high control religion.
cult or high control religion?.
A cult doesn't have to necessarily be "extreme". When compared to the BITE model, the society fits many of the features of cults. If it looks like rabbit and hops like rabbit, then it is a rabbit.
Additionally, the child sex abuse scandals and suicides via refusal of blood would be considered "extreme" by most rational people.
barcelona (spain), jan 8, 2017 at 1.30 pm.
two publishers of the tagalog group in barcelona (public meeting at 4.30 pm) do visit an evangelical church barcelona downtown to receive free food bags.... i can confirm that the queue was long.
the pastor in charge of this church has not allowed me to take picture of some older jw living barcelona downtown, but i was able to catch these young publishers.
The hypocricy is too damn real! They claim that only they have the truth and that every other religion is false/controlled by Satan. Yet they must dine at Satan's table in order to survive.
donald trump on monday named son-in-law jared kushner as senior white house advisor, rewarding the man widely credited as the brains behind his election but courting serious legal and ethical concerns..
the baby-faced real estate developer and magazine publisher who turns 36 on tuesday, will be the youngest top member of the administration, working closely with chief of staff reince priebus and chief strategist steve bannon..
"jared has been a tremendous asset and trusted advisor throughout the campaign and transition and i am proud to have him in a key leadership role in my administration," announced the republican president-elect..
Nepotism
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if under jw doctrine, satan's accusation is that a human serves god for the purpose of what he can get out of it, does the disfellowshipping arrangement, exercised to the degree that the governing body deem to be appropriate, support this charge?.
taking for granted the jehovah’s witnesses are god’s chosen organization; on the assumption that the angels (who apparently cannot read heart conditions) looking upon humanity who are making a stand for the issue of sovereignty , are unable to discern those who are in the religion because of their family and friends.
"And wouldn't they all see through it? How do you fake it with an omniscient god?"
Precisely. That's one of many things which helped me to leave JW land. I could no longer go on to practice something I didn't believe. I reasoned that it would be pointless to excercise fake faith in God IF in fact he existed.
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if under jw doctrine, satan's accusation is that a human serves god for the purpose of what he can get out of it, does the disfellowshipping arrangement, exercised to the degree that the governing body deem to be appropriate, support this charge?.
taking for granted the jehovah’s witnesses are god’s chosen organization; on the assumption that the angels (who apparently cannot read heart conditions) looking upon humanity who are making a stand for the issue of sovereignty , are unable to discern those who are in the religion because of their family and friends.
@schnell:
The funny thing about pascal's wager is that there exists many gods and religious beliefs concerning said gods. Which one is correct? To choose one is also to gamble, isn't it? What if you pick the wrong one?
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if under jw doctrine, satan's accusation is that a human serves god for the purpose of what he can get out of it, does the disfellowshipping arrangement, exercised to the degree that the governing body deem to be appropriate, support this charge?.
taking for granted the jehovah’s witnesses are god’s chosen organization; on the assumption that the angels (who apparently cannot read heart conditions) looking upon humanity who are making a stand for the issue of sovereignty , are unable to discern those who are in the religion because of their family and friends.
I think I see what you mean. According to scripture, Satan states that people serve God because of what they can get out of him and not because they genuinely love him. Similarly, there are many who remain JWs just to remain in contact with friends and family and not because they genuinely want to be part of the organization.
Thing is, that logic can be applied to all Christians. Some serve to go to heaven (or avoid hell) while others serve to avoid eternal destruction at Armageddon and live on a paradise earth. Any how you slice it, it seems that Satan is right. lol
to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.
" i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.
those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.
I listened with interest to two Roman Catholic friends of mine speaking to each other about taking their doctrines seriously and they both agreed that they didn’t believe in a literal approach but were happy to remain churchgoers.
In JW land however, the cultural norm is to take everything rather more seriously. The slightest hint of disbelief is treated with horror! It would be symptomatic of disloyalty to the GB that you are becoming an unbeliever and that would mean being destined to become bird food at big A. It is the worst thing ever to express religious doubt in JW company. Doubt after all is far more contagious than belief!
Therefore, they have no valid reasons to remain (other than for fear of losing family and friends). In a normal church you have the freedom to believe (or not believe) whatever doctrines you want.
Also, please note that all the nonsense you see them explaining and defending should be place in the right perspective. They are not defending any teaching and doctrine. They are defending their choice of remaining JWs and they do that for fear of losing what the WT gives them to feel the comfort they need.
That's the thing. They are not really JWs if they reject JW doctrine. Many of them reject the GB as well. So... why not go to any regular church?
I think what they are trying to do is to redefine what being a JW means. The problem with that is that there can be no clear definition unless they all agree on what doctrines constitute JW doctrines. They might as well start a new denomination with a new name.
to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.
" i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.
those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.
Here is another link:
Above are people who learnt TTATT but remain "JWs". Cognitive Dissonance?
OP said it made him "spiritually stronger." lol
so i had my first appointment with a counsellor, of course i explained about being a born in jw, mentally leaving, the penalty of doing so and therefore the mental strain of pretending to be someone i'm not.
her response was that she couldn't help me with that because leaving a cult was a "lifestyle choice".
i tried to say to her that its a cult not a religion and how it brain washed me but no.
Many people aren't even aware that JWs exist much less for their practices and beliefs. Its probably something she just doesn't understand.
to me it seems that there are a growing number of jws who reject a few to most doctrines of jws and yet still believe that they are in "jehovah's organisation.
" i have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-jws.. take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793.
those are jws who reject 1914 and even the gb.
To me it seems that there are a growing number of JWs who reject a few to most doctrines of JWs and yet still believe that they are in "Jehovah's Organisation." I have come across quite a few who for example, reject the 1914 doctrine entirely and yet remain psuedo-JWs.
Take a look at this page: http://e-jw.org/index.php?threads/the-ultimate-generational-leap-rebuttal.2521/#post-21793
Those are JWs who reject 1914 and even the GB. They claim that Jokehova will cleanse the organisation at the time of the end and only the true servants will survive.
The problem is that that logic can be applied to any church in existence. They might as well go to a Catholic church whilst rejecting some doctrines and keeping their own beliefs. Wouldn't Jokehova also cleanse the Catholic church (or any other church for that matter) at the time of the end and save his true worshippers? What makes JW land still so special?
