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  How do you feel about the expression "The Truth"?

  by stuckinarut2 in

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  2. friends

  it's amazing how the expression "the truth" has become such an ingrained term used by witnesses.. "we have 'the truth'".

  "is he 'in the truth'?".

  most here have found out so many facts about the organisation, and felt the effects of being "gut-punched" as we realised these facts.. so how do you feel about the expression "the truth" now?.

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  Heartsafire

  Gag! I try to not use the term at all. Every time I think "the truth" I get a little angry and think, "yeah, right!"
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  How do I handle this situation?

  by BarelyThere in

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  2. friends

  hey everyone.

  i'm sorry that this isn't a very thought provoking post but i could really use some advice on how to handle this.

  there isn't anyone else in my life i can ask right now because, being dfed, all of my friends are "worldly" and don't know how witnesses function.

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  Heartsafire

  If you are working towards reinstatement than it couldn't hurt to meet with your elders and express concerns over the attitude of the congregation should you become reinstated. You do not have to "out" yourself that you were browsing through private messages. You can simply state that you have picked up on tidbits of gossip from here or there and are worried you will not be accepted into the congregation once reinstated. Come from a place of asking for their help, and try to see if you can get a couple of the elders to support you. Also, stay proactive about it, and once reinstated, be sure to ask for a sheparding call to follow up on how you are getting along. If there is a problem, they may have to bring it out in local needs or counsel the people still shunning you.

  Every congregation is different and it is hard to say what yours is like. It is typical for JWs to take sides on an issue that is none of their business. Although, I can honestly say that I doubt the whole congregation will shun you once you are reinstated. There are several reinstated ones in my congregation that have committed adultery and some have done it more than once. Unless you know their story you would really never know. They aren't treated any differently. Again, all congregations are different, and in the end you may find switching to a new one is really best.

  Im sorry you are going through this craziness. I personally don't know if I could or would go back to them if it were me, but, no judgement here. We all have our reasons.
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  My Bthel Experince Part 19 The Last Chapter..(really) Bethel Overseers

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there were other people who either killed themselves or tried to kill themselves while they were at "the house of god.

  one person who did kill himself was richard wheelock, press room overseer ......he jumped out of a window at the watchtower farm one day.

  it seemed, he was never quite the same after his wife "willy" died.

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  Heartsafire

  Damn it new boy! This one really can't be your last, can it? Have you been to Brooklyn lately? I'd be interested to know what Brooklyn was like in the 70's compared to today. Bet there were more mom and pop restaurants and shops. Anything you miss about the area in general?
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  Even the Overlapping Generations isn't an original concept

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to my surprise, i found this: .

  the overlapping generations model is an economic model .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/overlapping_generations_model.

  if those people from wt are inspired, why can't they at least come up with something original .....

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  Heartsafire

  Cofty, by the time the jdubs learn it, the formula will be changed again as new "light". Hee hee.
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  MY Bethel Experience Part 17

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  more "odds and ends".

  i liked lyman swingle (governing body member)......he was from alabama, he knew how to curse at the right time.

  i think, that’s why i went to him, when i was having so much trouble with my future wife’s parents.

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  Heartsafire

  I heard that one of the apostates that protested regularly was hit and killed by a jw delivery truck outside one of the buildings. Was in the 90's. Of course it was an "accident"...
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  Even the Overlapping Generations isn't an original concept

  by paradisebeauty in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  to my surprise, i found this: .

  the overlapping generations model is an economic model .... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/overlapping_generations_model.

  if those people from wt are inspired, why can't they at least come up with something original .....

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  Heartsafire

  Yea I read that too on Wikipedia months ago. It's so obvious they pulled that overlapping gen thing as a last ditch effort to keep 1914 relevant with the r&f. It didn't work for me! Lol.
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  My Bethel Experience Part 13 "Love and Sex" at Bethel

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  most of us went back to bethel, thinking we wanted to make it our life long career, what better place to be right before 1975, when god was coming back to kick some ass?

  that dream ended for the vast majority after just few months there, when they found out that something was very wrong.

  otherwise why would anyone want to leave a spiritual paradise?

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  Heartsafire

  Wow, I love that you are telling it like it is. Keep 'em coming!
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  Stories of "Miracles"

  by cappytan in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  so, all of us have probably heard a lot of urban miracle legends over the years in the org.here's one from outside the org.years ago, i worked with this lady.

  she was my supervisor.

  we liked having discussions on god and the bible.

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  Heartsafire

  When I was growing up I had a neighbor my age who was Catholic. She claimed to have seen Jesus looking at her through a mirror, and she regularly saw Mary and saints walking around in her home. She claimed God spoke to her and told her it meant he was with her. This was when we were about 6 or 7 yrs old. Made the hairs on back of my neck stand up. She did go to one meeting with me and told me my church was "weird." LOL.
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  My Bethel Experienxce Part 10

  by new boy in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  there were guys at bethel, who had great jobs........like don brouex.....he was the receptionist at the 124 desk.

  his job was checking in and "checking out" all the bethel tours and "hot" sisters on their way through the bethel home.

  that my friend, is not a real bethel job.

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  Heartsafire

  That is SO true about the cars in NY! Looks like u made your money back on your Fairlane shuttling people around:-)
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  Did Jesus actually start a church to himself?

  by TTWSYF in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  with some 30,000 different christian denominations, how would one know which one was for real?

  some folks think jesus did start a church, others think no.

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  Heartsafire

  Im not certain if his intention was for a completely new religion or to merely change Judaism.

  From what I gather Jesus is, at least, a historical figure that existed as a man. But, whatever you believe, if you choose to go by scripture, he appeared to be a Jewish "apostate" and introduced a new approach to worship that was based upon what we now call the Golden Rule rather than the legalism of the Jewish law.

  HAF