Simon, I logged in just now specifically to "like" this. Totally made my day. Great job! Hopefully your responses will get the rusty cogs of their brain turning. Most likely they will share what you said with everyone in their car group.
Heartsafire
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JWs in denial, so sad
by Simon ini had a couple of jw sisters call at my door today.. they started with the bizarre "can we read you a scripture" and read about "death being no more" and asked what i thought of that.. i said it sounded like a mix of disney and dumb.. they then launched into how god was going to put an end to death and wasn't that wonderful?.
i said it would have been more wonderful if he'd not created death in the first place.. they thought man created death by disobeying so i questioned why god couldn't have just forgiven them.
apparently "because he loves us" is supposed to be a satisfactory answer to why he kills us.. i asked how loving it was to kill hundreds of thousands of children in tsunami's, disease and so on.. at this point, they gave up on the 'god is love' and switched to the bible being true no matter what because it was an old book and moses had written the first chapter (says the book).. when i suggested it really wasn't that old and that most of the bible myths were copies of older stories from before it was written they questioned if i studied the bible and theology.. then i told them i was brought up as a jw so knew it was all crap.. now it was game on, they immediately switched to play defence questioning why i'd left (and i think they'd already taken a step back away from "the evil" obviously emanating from me).. not much time to say much before they cut and run so i told them i'd left because i found out it was all based on lies and that the watchtower was corrupt and covered up things like child abuse.. oh no, you're thinking of the catholics one of them said (some disdain in how she said "catholics" as though "we're so much better than them").. "well, i challenge you to do a search for the australian royal commission and you'll see the testimony the watchtower leaders gave and the damning evidence that they covered up abuse and reported none of it to the police.".
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Stay in the Boat
by stuckinarut2 ininteresting video from the mormans.... it sounds so much like a witness illustration!.
https://www.lds.org/youth/video/stay-in-the-boat?lang=eng .
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Helping my family see the truth about 'the truth'
by Stella3 inthis is my first time joining a forum like this.
i grew up in the jw religion.
i was baptized when i was 13 and started to fade out at 16 at least mentally.
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Heartsafire
Stella, welcome! I understand what it is like to have family you wish to wake up. My entire family are dubs, and that includes my husband. Confronting them with facts has done nothing for me. So, I've been trying something new, and it seems to be working: I've been happy. I've made some genuine non-JW friends, gotten involved in some awesome do-gooder stuff that I enjoy, and I'm taking better care of myself overall. I feel sincerely happier than I have felt in years, and I try to share it with my family. JW's are programmed to think that worldly people are miserable and always doing bad things. When they experience something contrary to this, it helps stimulate skepticism towards the teachings. Also, when confronted, I try to let my family know that I am on their side, but I just don't agree with the direction the Borg is going. It is still a work in progress, and they may never change. I have had to come to terms with this possibility and just get on with my life. Good luck to you, and please keep us posted.
HAF
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My brother died last night
by LisaRose ini found out this morning that my brother died last night, he was also an ex jw, 73 years old and died of heart disease and kidney failure.
it was not totally unexpected, as he had been in poor health, but it's a blow, especially as i just lost another brother two years ago.
there were six of us, now only four.
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Lisa Rose,
You are one of the most thoughtful people on this forum, and I am sorry to hear you lost your brother. We are always here for you when you need a listening ear. Take care, and hugs to you.
HAF
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Beliefs About What Caused the Universe
by Perry inthe universe can be observed to be expanding.. an expanding universe must have had a beginning.
whatever begins to exist had a cause.
therefore the universe had a cause.
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Perry, your posts always ruffle feathers. Just so you know, I do respect your views as much as anyone else's. I'm not here to delve into the creator/non-creator discussion. Just wanted to state that the universe is expanding, and it is no small discovery. I really enjoyed a recent episode of NOVA that documented the two teams of scientists who discovered this fact and won the Nobel. I think it's the episode about Hubble for those curious. The great thing about science is that there is always more to discover. -
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Today's Text - Be Humble & Don't Judge (The Exact OPPOSITE Of What JW's Do!)
by Divergent inanother nauseating text which proves conclusively that jw's do not practise what they preach!.
monday, may 9. who are you to be judging your neighbor?—jas.
4:12.. humility restrains us from overstepping our authority.
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Valued and appreciated as a JW? Ha! Never! I never felt that way even when I was going at it 110 percent.
Actually, most Dubs I see are very depressed and barely hanging on. Or, they are flourishing as over-achievers and looking down their noses at the ones who "don't have their priorities straight".
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April 26 2016 God’s Kingdom Rules! to Be Considered at Congregation Bible Study
by wifibandit inapril 26, 2016 to all congregations re: god’s kingdom rules!
to be considered at congregation bible study.
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Shouldn't it be gods kingdom reigns instead of rules? This must be another rule book to be tossed out with old info in a year or two. -
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The Freedom to Learn
by TheLiberator insince i have left the watchtower's dung behind, reading and learning has accelerated at an unbelievable pace for me.
i am sure that is true for most here.
i have always been a big time reader.
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Congrats on digging deep. Keep it up and do spill what you find here. The JWs only teach faith to the Borg when you get right down to it. It gets easier and easier to point out the liberties they take in interpreting and adding to scripture. This WT study was a great example with false scenarios set up through "must have" and "would have" to explain certain biblical passages. -
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Socialism
by Perry insocialists think that money will solve all man's problems.
everything is obsessively related to money in the socialist ideology.. they have an almost supernatural ability to blame others with more money.
god calls this greed and envy.
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Hi guys! All I know is that my economics professor detests socialism and communism for America. No offense to you socialists and commies out there. Also, an economy that embraces capitalism promotes the growth of small businesses and entrepreneurs. I like that newbies who may get crushed by govt tax and red tape would get a chance to start their own businesses. When it comes to money, well, I think capitalism's focus is on growth business wise while socialism is more about spreading wealth around. Generalities, of course. -
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I COLLECT QUOTES. . . Here are some of my favorites
by Terry inplease post your favorites too.
my favorite quotations:.
you cannot change what you refuse to confront.. sometimes good things fall apart so better things can fall together.. don’t think of cost.
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Great thread, Terry. Thanks for the quotes everyone. Ive smiled a lot today, and it's only morning, so I'm off to a good start. Here's a couple:
Good Morning, I see the assassins have failed.
-the Internet
I have seen all, I have heard all, I have forgotten all.
-Marie Antoinette