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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and Racket,

Were you aware that your mind-limiting materialist views are a minority among scientists? About two-thirds of scientists believe in God, according to a new survey by sociologists from Rice University.

Great Scientists who believed in God are manifold: Here's a partial list of some Noble Laureates just in the past hundred years:

PART I. Nobel Scientists (20-21 Century)
Albert Einstein	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Jewish
Max Planck	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Protestant
Erwin Schrodinger	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Catholic
Werner Heisenberg	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Lutheran
Robert Millikan	Nobel Laureate in Physics	probably Congregationalist
Charles Hard Townes	Nobel Laureate in Physics	United Church of Christ (raised Baptist)
Arthur Schawlow	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Methodist
William D. Phillips	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Methodist
William H. Bragg	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Anglican
Guglielmo Marconi	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Catholic and Anglican
Arthur Compton	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Presbyterian
Arno Penzias	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Jewish
Nevill Mott	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Anglican
Isidor Isaac Rabi	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Jewish
Abdus Salam	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Muslim
Antony Hewish	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Christian (denomination?)
Joseph H. Taylor, Jr.	Nobel Laureate in Physics	Quaker
Alexis Carrel	Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology	Catholic
John Eccles	Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology	Catholic
Joseph Murray	Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology	Catholic
Ernst Chain	Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology	Jewish
George Wald	Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology	Jewish
Ronald Ross	Nobel Laureate in Medicine and Physiology	Christian (denomination?)
Derek Barton	Nobel Laureate in Chemistry	Christian (denomination?)
Christian Anfinsen	Nobel Laureate in Chemistry	Jewish
Walter Kohn	Nobel Laureate in Chemistry	Jewish
Richard Smalley	Nobel Laureate in Chemistry	Christian (denomination?)
PART II. Nobel Writers (20-21 Century)
T.S. Eliot	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Anglo-Catholic (Anglican)
Rudyard Kipling	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Anglican
Alexander Solzhenitsyn	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Russian Orthodox
François Mauriac	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Catholic
Hermann Hesse	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Christian; Buddhist?
Winston Churchill	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Anglican
Jean-Paul Sartre	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Lutheran; Freudian; Marxist; atheist; Messianic Jew
Sigrid Undset	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Catholic (previously Lutheran)
Rabindranath Tagore	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Hindu
Rudolf Eucken	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Christian (denomination?)
Isaac Singer	Nobel Laureate in Literature	Jewish

This is not to mention some of the greatest minds ever seen in previous centuries like Newton, Kepler, Bacon, Galelio etc. ; who were Christians.

Remember what Professor Lewontin has stated about Materialism.... statements which you do not deny but seem to welcome.

"It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes" ... materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

Surely to any lover of freedom, phrases like "Forced" and "materialism is an absolute" are enemies to free-minds and free thought . The notion that keeps being repeated among comitted materialists is that only they are responsible for science; this is proved false by FACTS. The opposite is true, an assumption of a superior intellect drives many scientists to look for patterns, logic, and systems inherent in creation, which they indeed find.

You are certainly welcome to your own views, but they are in the MINORITY among the educated, as well as compared to the world's population in general.

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NASA Identifies The Hand of God

by Perry in

it even has what looks like blood flowing from a palm wound.

article.

world-renowned astrophysicist robert jastrow, founding director of nasas goddard institute for space studies, explains the fear of faith many of todays scientists experience.. there is a kind of religion in science, it is the religion of a person who believes there is order and harmony in the universe, and every effect must have its cause; [but] there is no first cause.

Perry

That statement seems a bit....paranoid

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Cofty and Snare/Racket are cell-mates

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare / Rackets' claims about the dna code not really being a code, and the information storage capacity just giving the appearance of such is marginalized by statements by many within his own camp:

Leading atheist Richard Dawkins himself admits:

“[T]here is enough information capacity in a single human cell to store the Encyclopaedia Britannica, all 30 volumes of it, three or four times over.” [The Blind Watchmaker, cited in my book Refuting Evolution, ch. 9]

We now know that is an understatement by many orders of magnitude. Nontheless relevent..

DNA information requires a complex decoding machine, the ribosome, but the instructions to build ribosomes are on the DNA - How Did That Just Happen?

And decoding requires energy from ATP, built by ATP-synthase motors, built from instructions in the DNA decoded by ribosomes … “vicious circles” for any materialistic origin theory, as leading philosopher of science Karl Popper put it (see also Self-replicating enzymes? A critique of some current evolutionary origin-of-life models). - How Did That Just Happen?

The non-Christian physicist Paul Davies points out:

“We now know that the secret of life lies not with the chemical ingredients as such, but with the logical structure and organisational arrangement of the molecules…. Like a supercomputer, life is an information processing system…. It is the software of the living cell that is the real mystery, not the hardware.”

He further writes:

“How did stupid atoms spontaneously write their own software? … Nobody knows … ” [Life force, New Scientist 163 (2204):27–30, 18 September 1999.

The curious denials put forth so far by Snare & Racket are easy to understand and account for once the underlying belief system is unmasked. Here's a well put description by Professor Richard Lewontin, a geneticist (and self-proclaimed Marxist). He is certainly one of the world’s leaders in evolutionary biology. He wrote this very revealing comment (the italics were in the original). It illustrates the implicit philosophical bias...—regardless of whether or not the facts support it.

‘Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism.

It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is an absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door.

What Professor Lewontin is actually admitting is that Materialists are in a mental prison, they fight tooth and nail to keep the bars in tact, from the inside.

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Perry,

Very fine posting. Thank you for that.

Yet not surprising that many disagree with you!

" A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest." (philosopher - poet Paul Frederic Simon)

Truer words never spoken. I think the entire discussion can be summed up thusly:

Q: Who Made The Code?

A: What Code?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

If you can quote me the papers that state as you said, I will look at them for their legitimacy.

Just deal with the 7 terabytes of data that Havard grads stuffed into one gram of DNA in the link I provided above.

That capability could not have happened by chance in trillions of years. You are just not dealing with the problem squarely.

Two of England’s leading evolutionist scientists, *Hoyle and *Wickramasinghe, working independently of each other, came to the same conclusion: The chance of life appearing spontaneously from non-life in the universe is effectively zero! (*Fred Hoyle and *C. Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space). One of these researchers is an agnostic and the other a Buddhist; yet both decided from their analyses that the origin of life demands the existence of God to have created it.

The London Daily Express (August 14, 1981) put the conclusion of these two scientists into headlines: "Two skeptical scientists put their heads together and reached an amazing conclusion: There must be a God." *Hoyle and *Wickramasinghe concluded in their book that the probability of producing life, anywhere in the universe from evolutionary processes, was as reasonable as getting a fully operational Boeing 747 jumbo jet from a tornado going through a junkyard (*Fred Hoyle, Science, November 12, 1981, p. 105).

These statements were made by top scientists decades ago. The (millions and billions of years did it) argument that you rely upon is becoming increasingly isolated and is already so far out of the realm of possibility as to warrant no serious consideration.

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and a Racket,

I think that it is fair to say that science has proven that there exists (and not just an illusion or perception of existence) incredibly complex coding languages as well as a biological storage capability that far excedes anything we humans have to date been able to come up with or even hardly imagine. Furthermore, the foundational cornerstone of CHANCE that underpines a naturalistic worldview just gets buried deeper and deeper under the new discoveries of the complexity of how we are existing.

Where did this vast information and complicated storage architecture come from?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and a racket says:

Some believe it happened elsewhere (panspermia) and that simple life evolved in another enviroment in space

So your Space Daddy did it? Nevermind, the problem I have is with your use of the word "simple" to describe ANY life, no matter how minute.

Let's switch gears a little. Some guys over at Harvard have been quite busy studying the illusion of design that you believe really isn't there, and have stuffed

700 terabytes of data into a single gram of DNA.

That's quite a "perception" of design wouldn't you say? Where did all the vast coding and language capability come from?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

Snare and Racket tries to solve this problem by imagining its all in our perception, it's an illusion of a code based on our perception and not actually a code itself:

To call this a code, is to misunderstand what just happened ! WE MADE THE CODE to differentiate things we observed.

Bill Gates calls it this:

“DNA is like a computer program but far, far more advanced than any software ever created.” ― Bill Gates , The Road Ahead

Whom should we believe? Snare and a Racket or Bill Gates?

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Who Made The Code?

by Perry in

a few weeks ago, discoveries were made that show that there is another dna code language that rides on top of the already incredibly complex 4-letter code previously discovered.

this newly discovered code apparently regulates how genes work.

as i noted in a previous thread, the amount of data storage available in the dna storage system just the size of a pin-head would filll a stack of books stacked from your driveway to the moon .... 500 times!

Perry

we know enough, to make a living cell

Not even close .... once you get past the hype

"In other words, once the synthetic M mycoides genome is introduced in the bacterial cell, it transforms into an M mycoides. When it replicates, the off-springs too are M mycoides, carrying copies of the man-made genome. Venter believes, for all practical purposes, this is synthetic life. But other experts are saying that though the cell's control station is artificial, the cell itself isn't. Neither is it a new form of life —the artificial genome is an exact replica of a M mycoides genome."

So, where did all the coding come from in this example? Answer: From a mind. Language and information codes come from minds.