Posts by Perry

Me: What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?

You: The thief is guilty.

If then, the theif is guilty, how can you make this statement:

When a non believer or doubter says he/she does not believe. It means that person does not believe in sin,

I personally think that we sin with knowledge of it regardless of whether or not we consider God. Our own laws assume knowledge of sins like stealing, etc. We have a con-science. We sin with knowledge.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

If after you die you find yourself in front a God ready to judge you.

What will you say in your defense for not believing?

Magnum, the first subject is a closed idea about a personal judgment before God. It has a period at the end of the sentence. God judges sin. Our courts judge some sin, not the good that we do. The second sentence about belief is less clear. Is the object of disbelief God himself or judgment or both? Since the setting is already before God, it seems the judgment itself is the problem at hand for this situation.

At any rate, I think the two are related. Clearly, if not handled correctly there is a huge problem for each of us if God does in fact judge sin.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

How can I be guilty of something God himself has allowed?

What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?

God has given each one of us a conscience. Con-science means literally "with knowledge". When we sin we do it with knowledge and if we are judged, it will be as knowing it was wrong.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

Magnum, the OP clearly states that "if we find ourself in front of a God ready to judge you" what would be our defence in the judgment.

Personally, I don't have one. I am guilty for

1. Breaking God's laws

2. I am guilty of breaking man's laws that I have willingly agreed to live under and by

3. I am guilty of breakng my own laws, and worse.... for judging others as guilty for the same things I have given myself a pass on.

If I was to be judged BY ANY of these standards, I would be guilty and be defenseless.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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friends

if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

Magnum there is evidence everywhere. However, this thread is about God's Judgment. You must assume he exists to participate.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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friends

if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

Any you'll be screaming that for eternity if you die in your sins. God bled for us and actually became sin for us so that you would not have to rage for eternity ....but have peace.

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

If he's real, and he's worthy of our worship, then he'll say, "Good job making the most of the gift of life I gave you. You were a good person, improved to your community, and enjoyed my gift. You figured out that's what life's all about, and you did it."

So according to your thinking, God only owes you an "atta boy" for the good you have done? Courts are not there to pat people on the back. If that is all God ever did, then God would be evil for doing nothing about the problem of evil. Instead of preventing it by makng it impossible like some SAY they would like, he has chosen to judge sin judicially and lawfully.

There is no contridiction here except in the case if God doesn't judge sin....especially since we can be sure that his other option was not exercised ie., making sin and evil an impossibility.

Each person should carefully ask himself if he or she has ever lied, stolen, hated on someone, lusted etc....since these are God's laws. And if we are judged by them; are we going to be guilty or innocent?

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If God is real?

by suavojr in

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if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.

what will you say in your defense for not believing?

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Perry

Judgment is inevitible. God MUST do it. Judgment is God's answer to the problem of evil that philosophers sometimes argue about. God could either prevent evil, or he could judge it. Clearly, HE HAS CHOSEN TO JUDGE IT.

If he chose to do NOTHING about it, then he himself would be the default cause of evil, which is impossible since he is good. So he must judge all. It is not a task he looks forward to I assure you. He offered his own Son as a scapegoat for those that would take the offer. It was a rancid enough death to atone for the vilest among us. He desires NONE to sit before him and receive the penalty of sin. His main enemy is the devil, not us.

When he has intervened in this world and executed judgments, it is not murder or genocide since sin requires a death penalty. Atempting to judge God does not make the reality of judgment after a person dies any less real.

The man in the video is deluding himself with his own perceived goodness. Has he ever lied? What does that make him? Has he ever stolen anything? What do you call someone who has done that? Jesus said just looking at a woman with lust is committing adultery in the heart. In Jesus' economy he equates hate with murder. Ever done that?

Judges do not sit and judge all the lawful and good things a person has done. Courts don't work that way. Yet, most people who don't accept Jesus offer think that it will work that way, even though our own courts dont work that way at all.

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If someone refers to the "greek scriptures" is that a sign of JW indoctrination?

by scotoma in

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i recently had a casual conversation at a bar on the subject of atheism.

they used the expression "greek scriptures".

i didn't pursue it but it made me wonder..

Perry

Yes it is definitely a sign. I believe the Watchtower exists for the purpose of preventing people from accepting the New Covenant and avoiding condemnation. (The terms testament and covenant are interchangeable in the bible....same greek word)

What better way to prevent this than by doing away with its name? The enemy would have people believe that the New Covenant (a literal contract with God) was only for 144,00 people who lived long ago.... not for YOU. They say it was for rulership positions in the coming Kingdom. That's a lie from Hell.

Jesus made this clear in Matt 26: 27 - And taking a cup, he offered thanks and gave it to them, saying: “Drink out of it, all of you, 28 for this means my blood of the covenant, which is to be poured out in behalf of many for forgiveness of sins". - NWT (.....not simply rulership positions or earth / heaven destinations)

The terms old testament and new testament are appropriate because the root meaning of testament is covenant or contract. Both of the bibles' contracts with God that are described within it, allowed a person to avoid condemnation for their personal sins through the legal maneuver known as imputation. The death penalty was imputed onto someone or something else and the sinlessness of the scapegoat was imputed onto the sinner. Both biblical contracts work the same basic way; hence the WT would like to hide this fact about the primary purpose of the bible.

It has little to do with who gets to run the show after Jesus returns. It is of minor relative importance who makes it as the bride of Christ or the bride of Jehovah, or those that are "left over" in the earth after Armageddon.

What is of major friggin importance is whether or not a person will stand trial for their own sins or not. Many on that day will object and accuse Jesus of not holding up his end of the bargain. He will chillingly tell them "I never knew you"..... or, more literally; "I never had a contract with you to be your scapegoat.".