i just read this article about luther and i'll quote a paragraph.
it's interesting how you can substitute a few words and see it identical to the wt.
now let me substitute pope and catholic church for governing body and watchtower...... .
The Church taught that “it alone” was
God’s instrument and representative on Earth and salvation could only be found by its
means.
I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” ( John 14:6
Funny how heretics always seem to get themselves confused with the role of Jesus.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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bohn says:
I am only glad a person who so willingly wish to believe in this sort of moral nihilism, totallitarianism and torture-porn is not in any capacity of power.
It doesn't matter whether you wish to believe in the judgment of sin or not, it is going to happen after we die whether we believe in it or not. Unlike animals, you have built within you a conscience which bothers you when you break some of God's laws.
We live in countries that assumes that when we steal, lie, assault, murder etc, we do it with the knowledge that it is wrong. We set up courts to judge those who break these laws...... because we are created in God's image, which is where we get this sense of justice. However, our justice systems are flawed, incomplete and knowingly not perfect.
God is not like that. He is perfect. He knows all. He knows we could NEVER obey all his laws on our own power. The Jews tried to do it and failed. They became addicted to trying to do it. They built a maladaptive relationship with the system instead of with God himself. When he showed up as their deliverer, most rejected him even though he made the blind see, the lame walk, and the dead rise.
Man, in his depravity isn't so much against a God who judges; it is against a God who judges us personally and exposes our weakness. This asaults our pride. However, God must judge sin, just as the judges that we appoint in our courts must do their job. But, he made his own Son to become sin in our place.... just so we would not have to be condemned.
If God judged you by the ten commandments would you be guilty or innocent? That is a question each of us should ask ourselves. Especially since God spent about three thousand years indicating that the ten commandments is how he will judge human beings who were created in his image.
what a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview.
is it the result of a world-covering deluge?
or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years?
Evolution has fossils, DNA and can be recreated, observed, influenced in real time.
Snare,
Animals have fossils, not evolution. DNA can be recreated? Where, in a computer, your mind, your imagination? It certainly cannot be recreated in a laboratory. Scientists have never so much as even created a twig.
Here's an interesting list of not-so-old things.
Here's some "150 million year old" ink, .....uh, I mean "evolution fossil".
Funny how people never complain about the theory of gravity
Snare,
No one is compalining about the theory of gravity that I know of. Lots of people complain about the theory of evolution though. The reason is simple. The theory of gravity predicts that if you throw a television off a 6 story roof it will disorganize upon impact. The theory of evolution predicts that if you throw a television off a 6 story roof enough times it will reorganize itself into a supercomputer.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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So Cofty,
Are you then OK with God judging sin, just not the hellfire part of the judgment?
Jesus spoke about some people being put in outer darkness....cold darkness for eternity, away from God.
Does that make you feel better about judgment? It doesn't me.
Your basic problem doesn't seem to really be with God's right to judge so much as it is with his kindness:
I do not need any "executive pardon" from the sick fantasy you call your god.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Coft,
You'd be the first screaming for justice if your car got stolen. Yet, you deny God that which you would reserve for yourself - God has the right and the OBLIGATION as God, to judge sin.
You want your cake and eat it too. Funny thing is - that God really does offer a cake and the opportunity to eat it too. However, it is only through faith in Jesus' blood.
Your route - self justification was rejected at the cross. Man cannot justify himself before a righteous and thrice holy God. He needs an executive pardon....which is what God is offering by means of Jesus.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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But Perry, we as humans in a free society have set limits to the amount and type of punishment we impose. The ultimate punishment is death.
Suavojr,
We are created in God's image. In other words, we are similar to him in many ways. One way we are similar, is that we have a conscience. Some inate knowledge of right and wrong.
Another way we are similar to God is that our soul (which is conscious) is eternal; without end once born. When the bible states that the wages of sin is death, it doesn't mean what heretics and naturalism adherents think it means. They assume incorrectly that in means anniliation. It does not.
The correct definition of death for man is this: a separation of your body from your soul.
This is clear by reading several passages, but especially in Rev. 6:9-11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were , should be fulfilled.
So, there is no conflict here. The wages of sin is death, but the gift God give is eternal life. Because of Jesus' blood, we actually get to CHOOSE in this life where we will spend eternity. It will be either in fellowship with God or separated from him and everything that can be considered "good" - since all good gifts come from him.
It is a frightful prospect to be separated from everything considered Good that we can imagine. Yet, when we reject God's desire to pardon us for our sins, few people realize they are actually rejecting all that is good, since God is good.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Mikado - I already answered your first question.
Mikado - Do you think you are a good person?
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Me: What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?
You: The thief is guilty.
If then, the theif is guilty, how can you make this statement:
When a non believer or doubter says he/she does not believe. It means that person does not believe in sin,
I personally think that we sin with knowledge of it regardless of whether or not we consider God. Our own laws assume knowledge of sins like stealing, etc. We have a con-science. We sin with knowledge.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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If after you die you find yourself in front a God ready to judge you.
What will you say in your defense for not believing?
Magnum, the first subject is a closed idea about a personal judgment before God. It has a period at the end of the sentence. God judges sin. Our courts judge some sin, not the good that we do. The second sentence about belief is less clear. Is the object of disbelief God himself or judgment or both? Since the setting is already before God, it seems the judgment itself is the problem at hand for this situation.
At any rate, I think the two are related. Clearly, if not handled correctly there is a huge problem for each of us if God does in fact judge sin.
if after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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How can I be guilty of something God himself has allowed?
What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?
God has given each one of us a conscience. Con-science means literally "with knowledge". When we sin we do it with knowledge and if we are judged, it will be as knowing it was wrong.
