We were told that too many friends are calling in for the meetings rather than attenting.
Well at least it might relieve the log jam at the bathrooms so many hangout in during the meetings.
Posts by Perry
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12It about the money, counting and a few notes from our SAD
by Sour Grapes induring the special memorial campain the congregation was told to count all of.
the invitations on their time report, which i think is something new.
thursday night.
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Abiogenesis takes another step forward.....
by snare&racket inspark of life: metabolism appears in lab without cells19:42 25 april 2014 by linda geddesfor similar stories, visit the evolution and human evolution topic guidesmetabolic processes that underpin life on earth have arisen spontaneously outside of cells.
the serendipitous finding that metabolism the cascade of reactions in all cells that provides them with the raw materials they need to survive can happen in such simple conditions provides fresh insights into how the first life formed.
it also suggests that the complex processes needed for life may have surprisingly humble origins.. "people have said that these pathways look so complex they couldn't form by environmental chemistry alone," says markus ralser at the university of cambridge who supervised the research.. but his findings suggest that many of these reactions could have occurred spontaneously in earth's early oceans, catalysed by metal ions rather than the enzymes that drive them in cells today.. the origin of metabolism is a major gap in our understanding of theemergence of life.
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The difference between this and the function of a cell is mindboggling.
Mindboggling complexity - proteins
Even a single cell is not simple. In Darwin's day researchers looked at cells under the microscope and saw little balloons filled with goo they called protoplasm, so they thought cells were simple forms of life. 150 years later we know that there are many types of cells, and each cell is a little city at work. The smallest known genome (Mycoplasma genitalium) has 482 genes. 18 The minimum possible for an organism to survive is probably 200 to 300 genes. Most bacteria have 1000 to 4000 genes. A popular textbook on the cell 1 is 1600 pages long and weighs 7 pounds. Everything about the cell is stunningly complex. Plants and animals contain a great variety of cells. The human body has about 210 different types of cells.
Cells are made of proteins, and everything that goes on in a creature involves proteins intchemical reqeracting with each other. Proteins are generally 50 to 2000 amino acids long; a typical one has about 300 amino acids. 1 Ribosomes are molecular machines that build proteins in cells, using messenger RNA as the template. Here is an overview of how a bacterial ribosome "translates" RNA into protein. Every protein in bacteria is made this way.
From: Schmeing, T. Martin, V. Ramakrishnan. 29 October 2009. What recent ribosome structures have revealed about the mechanism of translation. Nature, Vol. 461, pp. 1234-1242.A protein is not just a long ribbon of amino acids strung together from the DNA pattern. It folds itself into a 3D structure.
Diagram of a folded protein
Origami
The temperature and chemical concentrations must be right for it to fold correctly, and many proteins get help from special proteins called "molecular chaperones". Chaperones can keep proteins separated from each other while they are folding, prevent mistakes in folding, and even unfold mistakes to give the protein a second chance to get it right. After helping one protein fold, a chaperone will go help another one fold.
" A chaperone protein (bottom, yellow) called SecB guides the folding of another protein (transparent)
in this artist's illustration." --Science News, December 1, 2007, Vol. 172, p. 342Making and folding proteins goes on continuously throughout the body. Misfolding can lead to more than proteins that don't work. In humans, bunches of them (aggregates) can lead to diseases such as Alzheimer's, Huntington's, or sickle cell. "Proteins are so precisely built that the change of even a few atoms in one amino acid can sometimes disrupt the structure of the whole molecule so severely that all function is lost." 1 All proteins stick (bind) to other molecules. But each can bind to only a few of the thousands it encounters. "An average protein in a human cell may interact with somewhere between 5 and 15 different partners." 1 Their shapes fit each other like a hand in a glove. "Proteins can form enormously sophisticated chemical devices." "The most impressive tasks are carried out by large protein assemblies formed from many protein molecules." "Each of the central processes in a cell... is catalyzed by a highly coordinated, linked set of 10 or more proteins." 1 The parts of a cell where proteins are made (ribosomes) are themselves made of many different proteins. "The complexity of living organisms is staggering." 1 In the face of this breathtaking complexity, evolutionists have tried to find the basic things necessary for a cell to function. So far they have found 17 general categories 1 :
- Replication, recombination, and repair
- Transcription
- Cell cycle control, mitosis, and meiosis
- Defense mechanisms
- Cell wall/membrane biogenesis
- Signal transduction mechanisms
- Intracellular trafficking and secretion
- Translation
- Post-translational modification, protein turnover, chaperones
- Energy production and conversion
- Carbohydrate transport and metabolism
- Amino acid transport and metabolism
- Nucleotide transport and metabolism
- Coenzyme transport and metabolism
- Lipid transport and metabolism
- Inorganic ion transport and metabolism
- Secondary metabolite biosynthesis, transport, and catabolism
Each category requires many proteins. All have to be in place and working together or the cell is wrecked.
So evolutionists have to believe that for each protein, pure chance laid out long strings of amino acids that fold themselves into the exact shapes needed to interact with other specialized proteins and, where needed, get help from chaperone proteins which themselves appeared by chance. The necessary proteins cannot be invented one at a time. Either they are all there, ready to work together, or nothing happens and they disintegrate. Yet even if it could design proteins, mutation-natural selection would only work on one at a time sporadically over many years. Considering just the complexity of proteins, the notion of creating them with mutation-natural selection is as silly as asking someone to build a television set with a spoon and a toothbrush. If Darwin had known what we have learned about proteins, he probably would have abandoned the theory of evolution.
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The WT and GB compared to Catholics before the reformation.
by EndofMysteries ini just read this article about luther and i'll quote a paragraph.
it's interesting how you can substitute a few words and see it identical to the wt.
now let me substitute pope and catholic church for governing body and watchtower...... .
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The Church taught that “it alone” was
God’s instrument and representative on Earth and salvation could only be found by its
means.I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me” ( John 14:6
Funny how heretics always seem to get themselves confused with the role of Jesus.
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If God is real?
by suavojr inif after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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bohn says:
I am only glad a person who so willingly wish to believe in this sort of moral nihilism, totallitarianism and torture-porn is not in any capacity of power.
It doesn't matter whether you wish to believe in the judgment of sin or not, it is going to happen after we die whether we believe in it or not. Unlike animals, you have built within you a conscience which bothers you when you break some of God's laws.
We live in countries that assumes that when we steal, lie, assault, murder etc, we do it with the knowledge that it is wrong. We set up courts to judge those who break these laws...... because we are created in God's image, which is where we get this sense of justice. However, our justice systems are flawed, incomplete and knowingly not perfect.
God is not like that. He is perfect. He knows all. He knows we could NEVER obey all his laws on our own power. The Jews tried to do it and failed. They became addicted to trying to do it. They built a maladaptive relationship with the system instead of with God himself. When he showed up as their deliverer, most rejected him even though he made the blind see, the lame walk, and the dead rise.
Man, in his depravity isn't so much against a God who judges; it is against a God who judges us personally and exposes our weakness. This asaults our pride. However, God must judge sin, just as the judges that we appoint in our courts must do their job. But, he made his own Son to become sin in our place.... just so we would not have to be condemned.
If God judged you by the ten commandments would you be guilty or innocent? That is a question each of us should ask ourselves. Especially since God spent about three thousand years indicating that the ten commandments is how he will judge human beings who were created in his image.
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The Fossil Record: vs God Allowing Pain & Suffering
by Shanagirl inwhat a man does with the fossil record tells a lot about his worldview.
is it the result of a world-covering deluge?
or did this sorry chronicle of pain, suffering, and death precede humans (and the reign of death) by millions of years?
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Evolution has fossils, DNA and can be recreated, observed, influenced in real time.
Snare,
Animals have fossils, not evolution. DNA can be recreated? Where, in a computer, your mind, your imagination? It certainly cannot be recreated in a laboratory. Scientists have never so much as even created a twig.
Here's an interesting list of not-so-old things.
Here's some "150 million year old" ink, .....uh, I mean "evolution fossil".
Funny how people never complain about the theory of gravity
Snare,
No one is compalining about the theory of gravity that I know of. Lots of people complain about the theory of evolution though. The reason is simple. The theory of gravity predicts that if you throw a television off a 6 story roof it will disorganize upon impact. The theory of evolution predicts that if you throw a television off a 6 story roof enough times it will reorganize itself into a supercomputer.
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If God is real?
by suavojr inif after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Perry
So Cofty,
Are you then OK with God judging sin, just not the hellfire part of the judgment?
Jesus spoke about some people being put in outer darkness....cold darkness for eternity, away from God.
Does that make you feel better about judgment? It doesn't me.
Your basic problem doesn't seem to really be with God's right to judge so much as it is with his kindness:
I do not need any "executive pardon" from the sick fantasy you call your god.
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If God is real?
by suavojr inif after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Coft,
You'd be the first screaming for justice if your car got stolen. Yet, you deny God that which you would reserve for yourself - God has the right and the OBLIGATION as God, to judge sin.
You want your cake and eat it too. Funny thing is - that God really does offer a cake and the opportunity to eat it too. However, it is only through faith in Jesus' blood.
Your route - self justification was rejected at the cross. Man cannot justify himself before a righteous and thrice holy God. He needs an executive pardon....which is what God is offering by means of Jesus.
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If God is real?
by suavojr inif after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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But Perry, we as humans in a free society have set limits to the amount and type of punishment we impose. The ultimate punishment is death.
Suavojr,
We are created in God's image. In other words, we are similar to him in many ways. One way we are similar, is that we have a conscience. Some inate knowledge of right and wrong.
Another way we are similar to God is that our soul (which is conscious) is eternal; without end once born. When the bible states that the wages of sin is death, it doesn't mean what heretics and naturalism adherents think it means. They assume incorrectly that in means anniliation. It does not.
The correct definition of death for man is this: a separation of your body from your soul.
This is clear by reading several passages, but especially in Rev. 6:9-11
And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held: 10 And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth? 11 And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were , should be fulfilled.
So, there is no conflict here. The wages of sin is death, but the gift God give is eternal life. Because of Jesus' blood, we actually get to CHOOSE in this life where we will spend eternity. It will be either in fellowship with God or separated from him and everything that can be considered "good" - since all good gifts come from him.
It is a frightful prospect to be separated from everything considered Good that we can imagine. Yet, when we reject God's desire to pardon us for our sins, few people realize they are actually rejecting all that is good, since God is good.
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If God is real?
by suavojr inif after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Mikado - I already answered your first question.
Mikado - Do you think you are a good person?
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If God is real?
by suavojr inif after you die you find yourself in front a god ready to judge you.
what will you say in your defense for not believing?
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Me: What if a theif simply said that he wasn't guilty because it was the owner's fault who left his keys in the car that made it possible for him to steal it?
You: The thief is guilty.
If then, the theif is guilty, how can you make this statement:
When a non believer or doubter says he/she does not believe. It means that person does not believe in sin,
I personally think that we sin with knowledge of it regardless of whether or not we consider God. Our own laws assume knowledge of sins like stealing, etc. We have a con-science. We sin with knowledge.
